Originally posted by h1a8
The Hulk's would be a statue. If Superman wanted he can bfr them all with ease. Or he can freeze some of them and deal with 1 at a time. The only way the hulks would give Superman problems if Superman's speed and reflexes are turned off for the sake of the plot.
You're going to have to prove that the Hulk's would become statues. The green Scar (WW Hulk) was more than able to fight the Sentry. His blitz was useless. This shows that he can at the very least, react to Super fast characters. We have been through this many times. What happens on panel is where we get the idea that characters like the Hulk, and Thanos are capable of hitting super fast characters. What you present is merely opinion, while ignoring what happens on panel.
Why does Captain America tag the Hulk without being hit? Agility. Writers regard agility very highly. Speedsters have been tripped up by agile fighters more times than you can shake a stick at. Look at Deathstroke for example. We can't argue real life physics. If we did whenever Superman or the Flash ran, they would run right through the pavement. Iron Man would have his head torn off performing a high G turn, the Hulk would throw up a dust cloud that would blot out the sun whenever he jumped for miles, and landed.
In comics the Hulk can react, and hit faster characters, and this includes Superman. The Hulk would also resist being frozen by freeze breath. There are 4 Hulk's here, and Superman is not beating them all.
Originally posted by Stoic
You're going to have to prove that the Hulk's would become statues. The green Scar (WW Hulk) was more than able to fight the Sentry. His blitz was useless. This shows that he can at the very least, react to Super fast characters. We have been through this many times. What happens on panel is where we get the idea that characters like the Hulk, and Thanos are capable of hitting super fast characters. What you present is merely opinion, while ignoring what happens on panel.Why does Captain America tag the Hulk without being hit? Agility. Writers regard agility very highly. Speedsters have been tripped up by agile fighters more times than you can shake a stick at. Look at Deathstroke for example. We can't argue real life physics. If we did whenever Superman or the Flash ran, they would run right through the pavement. Iron Man would have his head torn off performing a high G turn, the Hulk would throw up a dust cloud that would blot out the sun whenever he jumped for miles, and landed.
In comics the Hulk can react, and hit faster characters, and this includes Superman. The Hulk would also resist being frozen by freeze breath. There are 4 Hulk's here, and Superman is not beating them all.
1. There are many different levels of superspeed. Reacting to superspeed doesn't mean you can react to all superspeed. Reacting to a bullet doesn't mean you can react to light speed or orbital speed.
2. Characters don't always used their full speed in a comic book. Characters are sometimes written without their speed.
3. Real life physics can be used to determine how much force or how fast, it can't be used to determine whether something is possible or not.
If we disregard all science, then nothing will make sense. We can't even argue if Thor is stronger than Hawkman.
4. Hulk has been shown not able to react to fast characters when they actually used their speed (like spider-man, etc.)
5. Hulk isn't faster than a bullet. Not in a forum fight he isn't.
Originally posted by Stoic
You're going to have to prove that the Hulk's would become statues. The green Scar (WW Hulk) was more than able to fight the Sentry. His blitz was useless. This shows that he can at the very least, react to Super fast characters. We have been through this many times. What happens on panel is where we get the idea that characters like the Hulk, and Thanos are capable of hitting super fast characters. What you present is merely opinion, while ignoring what happens on panel.
Sentry flew into the Hulk. That's not a blitz.
Sentry isn't as fast as Superman.
Superman's danced around people far more skilled and far faster than the Hulk.
Superman fights to the best of his ability, which according to the comics shows that the Hulk wouldn't touch him.
Originally posted by Stoic
Why does Captain America tag the Hulk without being hit? Agility. Writers regard agility very highly. Speedsters have been tripped up by agile fighters more times than you can shake a stick at. Look at Deathstroke for example. We can't argue real life physics. If we did whenever Superman or the Flash ran, they would run right through the pavement. Iron Man would have his head torn off performing a high G turn, the Hulk would throw up a dust cloud that would blot out the sun whenever he jumped for miles, and landed.
Load of misconceptions here.
DC characters are protected by the speed-force.
The Flash isn't fighting at the peak of his abilities against Deathstroke.
What 'should' happen according to your meagre grasp of physics holds no bearing on what happens in these forum fights 🙂
Originally posted by Stoic
In comics the Hulk can react, and hit faster characters, and this includes Superman.
Originally posted by Stoic
In comics the Hulk can react, and hit faster characters, and this includes Superman.
Originally posted by Stoic
There are 4 Hulk's here, and Superman is not beating them all.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. There are many different levels of superspeed. Reacting to superspeed doesn't mean you can react to all superspeed. Reacting to a bullet doesn't mean you can react to light speed or orbital speed.
2. Characters don't always used their full speed in a comic book. Characters are sometimes written without their speed.
3. Real life physics can be used to determine how much force or how fast, it can't be used to determine whether something is possible or not.
If we disregard all science, then nothing will make sense. We can't even argue if Thor is stronger than Hawkman.
4. Hulk has been shown not able to react to fast characters when they actually used their speed (like spider-man, etc.)
5. Hulk isn't faster than a bullet. Not in a forum fight he isn't.
Originally posted by h1a8
What is shown>>>>>>what writer meant. Why? Because the character has actually done it.
Do you remember posting this? Prove that the Sentry wasn't going as fast as Superman. All of the rest of what you said means nothing. Using real life science to figure out comics is idiotic. neither of the two will ever go together. Do you have any idea what Superman, or the Flash would do to the world, if they moved at the speeds that they do in comics. Just give that BS a rest okay. Comic book science and real life science are not the same thing, nor are the writers that form these stories scientists. That is why when you go into a library, there is a science fiction section, which is separated from non fiction. Do yourself a favor, and make the adjustments.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Sentry flew into the Hulk. That's not a blitz.Sentry isn't as fast as Superman.
Superman's danced around people far more skilled and far faster than the Hulk.
Superman fights to the best of his ability, which according to the comics shows that the Hulk wouldn't touch him.
Load of misconceptions here.
DC characters are protected by the speed-force.
The Flash isn't fighting at the peak of his abilities against Deathstroke.
What 'should' happen according to your meagre grasp of physics holds no bearing on what happens in these forum fights 🙂
Hulk has never hit anyone with Superman's speed.
Hulk can't 'resist' freeze breath because he doesn't have energy manipulation. He could possibly break free, but he could not 'resist' it.
You've yet to prove how these Hulks would win.
The Hulk reacted to the bull rush. Call it what you will.
Do you know me? You must get the shit beaten out of you quite often. Where do you live?
Prove that the Sentry isn't as fast as Superman. Prove that Gladiator isn't as fast as Superman, prove that Sun God isn't as fast as Superman. Oh yeah that's right, you can't/ Also can't wait til your banned again sock.
You have no idea what you are talking about in terms of the hulk. What is he saturated with doofus? The Green Scar was very capable of manipulating the gamma energies withing his body with a thought. Does Doomsday manipulate energy? Think first before jotting shit down.
They would win by beating the hell out of Superman. be an a$$hole to people get the a$$hole treatment back.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk reacted to the bull rush. Call it what you will.
Superman won't fly into him.
Originally posted by Stoic
Do you know me? You must get the shit beaten out of you quite often. Where do you live?
Originally posted by Stoic
Prove that the Sentry isn't as fast as Superman. Prove that Gladiator isn't as fast as Superman, prove that Sun God isn't as fast as Superman. Oh yeah that's right, you can't.
Originally posted by Stoic
Oh yeah that's right, you can't/ Also can't wait til your banned again sock.
Originally posted by Stoic
You have no idea what you are talking about in terms of the hulk. What is he saturated with doofus? The Green Scar was very capable of manipulating the gamma energies withing his body with a thought. Does Doomsday manipulate energy? Think first before jotting shit down.
Does Doomsday manipulate energy? Yes he does.
Originally posted by Stoic
They would win by beating the hell out of Superman. be an a$$hole to people get the a$$hole treatment back.
Like I already said, He's danced around faster, stronger and more skilled fighters than these.
Not sure what sparked this rage, but you might want to calm down and remember that the Hulk's loss in this fight has no bearing on your manhood 😉
Originally posted by krisblaze
Yes, I call it that. Sentry flying into the Hulk.Superman won't fly into him.
😆 what? I move between Norway and Japan.
Obviously I can't prove a negative, but I can prove that Superman is faster than them.
That ban must be coming in at speeds we can't even perceive, because the mods certainly acknowledged my return 🙂
Having the gamma energy burn the ice (Which it couldn't), is not the same as resisting being frozen. Me taking a lighter to a cone of icecream is not me 'resisting being frozen', it's me burning it.
Does Doomsday manipulate energy? Yes he does.
How are they going to touch him?
Like I already said, He's danced around faster, stronger and more skilled fighters than these.
Not sure what sparked this rage, but you might want to calm down and remember that the Hulk's loss in this fight has no bearing on your manhood 😉
What caused this rage? Don't pretend to know me.
Who cares if he can or can't resist it, he will break out of it, they all will. Was there a point, or more of your petty semantics?
You can't prove that Superman is faster than any of the guys that i mentioned, if so do so. Hope you brought your comic book speedometer. You have one of those right?
You said that the Hulk did not manipulate energy, you were incorrect.
The bull rush that the Sentry attempted was broken. Thhis shows that the Hulk is more than capable of reacting to super fast characters.
Yes the Sentry has moved at hyper speeds. There is no reason that he wasn't doing so in his battle with the Hulk.
He's danced around who that was faster, stronger, and more agile than these? You do realize that this is Nu Superman? That's not going to change. Superman was also danced around by an ersatz Predator, and was unable to do anything against the creature. Was the creature moving at light speed or above?
Actually, like I said, I remember why I placed you on ignore. It's your personality. Very insulting, and boastful, like you believe that you're something special. So like I said, act like an a$$hole, and get the same a$$hole treatment. Or we can just ignore each other. I think I'll opt for the ignore function.
Originally posted by Stoic
What caused this rage? Don't pretend to know me.
Originally posted by Stoic
Who cares if he can or can't resist it, he will break out of it, they all will. Was there a point, or more of your petty semantics?
Resisting and breaking free can make a world of difference.
Originally posted by Stoic
You can't prove that Superman is faster than any of the guys that i mentioned, if so do so. Hope you brought your comic book speedometer. You have one of those right?
The ones where Superman's travelling, fighting and reacting at many times lightspeed.
No speedometer though 🙂
Originally posted by Stoic
You said that the Hulk did not manipulate energy, you were incorrect.
Obviously we all manipulate energy to some degree. I'm talking about energy manipulation in the comic-book sense, as a power.
See, no semantics this time. Just a clarification 🙂
Originally posted by Stoic
The bull rush that the Sentry attempted was broken. Thhis shows that the Hulk is more than capable of reacting to super fast characters.
Sentry isn't as fast as Superman, and the Hulk punched him when he was flying right at him.
The Hulk has some degree of super-speed, even the Rhino has that.
Originally posted by Stoic
Yes the Sentry has moved at hyper speeds. There is no reason that he wasn't doing so in his battle with the Hulk.
No reason, though he was moving in straight lines a lot, and standing still an awful lot. Sadly, Superman won't do that.
Originally posted by Stoic
He's danced around who that was faster, stronger, and more agile than these? You do realize that this is Nu Superman? That's not going to change. Superman was also danced around by an ersatz Predator, and was unable to do anything against the creature. Was the creature moving at light speed or above.
He's fighting to the full extent of his abilities here, so feats where he's not, need not apply.
Originally posted by Stoic
Actually, like I said, I remember why I placed you on ignore. It's your personality. Very insulting, and boastful, like you believe that you're something special. So like I said, act like an a$$hole, and get the same a$$hole treatment. Or we can just ignore each other. I think I'll opt for the ignore function.
I'd rather you calm down and try to prove that The Hulk could actually do anything against Superman.
I'd also prefer a different line of argumentation than 'Hulk has fought Character A. Character A has at some point displayed superspeed that is less than Superman's speed. Ergo, Hulk can hit Superman,'
Originally posted by krisblaze
So much wrong with this post.
Actually there's a lot wrong with this thread.
I mean some of your points would be valid if this was just Hulk, as in 1 Hulk.
But 4 Hulks? Give me a break.
Your arguing like it's 4 Wolverines or something.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Hulk's nowhere near as fast as Superman. His meagre superspeed is irrelevant here.
Really? Even in the Savage days he was consistently tagging speedsters like Quicksilver, Gladiator e.t.c.
That's Savage Hulk. As Stoic has pointed out WWH Hulk was stalemating Sentry going all out.
Originally posted by krisblaze
It has nothing to do with the Hulk seeing him, it's about the Hulk not being able to touch/react to him.
Unlikely. See above.
And imagine 4 Hulk's giving off Massive Thunderclaps in all directions.
Superman's getting hit.
Originally posted by krisblaze
I'm not saying he BFRs them, I'm saying he kills them.
Chances are they'll kill him, once one of them gets hold of him, they will all pound on him like mad.
And one of them will get hold of him at some point. Probably a lot sooner than you would think.
Originally posted by krisblaze
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=371890&pagenumber=118
This page alone has him move at speeds that would be too fast for the Hulk.
Nice feats but won't help against 4 Hulk's. I'd be surprised if even 1 Hulk didn't get a hit in, unless Superman goes straight for a BFR as his opening move. Or keeps his distance and just uses HV.
But toe to toe, yeah even 1 Hulk's gonna land hits.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Not that these guys are 'herald' level, but sure.Action comics #775.
According to the KMC tier sections Hulk is a Mid-Herald. And I'm pretty sure those levels were made prior to World Breaker Hulk and Indestructible Hulk. But since those incarnations aren't in this thread Mid-Herald status is more than fair enough.
Scan please. If you're just going to refer to a comic without a scan at least describe exactly what happens in the scan and who he's up agianst, then ask someone else if they can get the scan.
Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm @ this thread.
👆
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I mean some of your points would be valid if this was just Hulk, as in 1 Hulk.But 4 Hulks? Give me a break. Your arguing like it's 4 Wolverines or something.
It could be 4 monguls, 4 rhinos, 4 sasquatches or 4 kalibaks It's 4 super-strong characters who aren't fast enough to tag Superman.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Really? Even in the Savage days he was consistently tagging speedsters like Quicksilver, Gladiator e.t.c.That's Savage Hulk. As Stoic has pointed out WWH Hulk was stalemating Sentry going all out.
Classic Quicksilver, really? Guy who capped at speed of sound? Even the Hulk's faster than he is.
Superman's much faster than Gladiator, Quicksilver, Sentry and Hyperion.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And imagine 4 Hulk's giving off Massive Thunderclaps in all directions.Superman's getting hit.
How would it hit him? He's faster than the thunderclaps, and it's not like it'll do any damage to him.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Chances are they'll kill him, once one of them gets hold of him, they will all pound on him like mad.And one of them will get hold of him at some point. Probably a lot sooner than you would think.
They'll kill him? Grey Hulk and Professor Hulk won't even scratch him.
Savage Hulk and Scar need time to work up their strength, and even then there's only a handful of incidents where they harm someone as durable as Superman.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nice feats but won't help against 4 Hulk's. I'd be surprised if even 1 Hulk didn't get a hit in, unless Superman goes straight for a BFR as his opening move. Or keeps his distance and just uses HV.
But toe to toe, yeah even 1 Hulk's gonna land hits.
Lightspeed+ everything. Hulk can't hit him.
Superman being too fast for people who in turn are far faster than the Hulk, means that the'll be too fast for him...
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
According to the KMC tier sections Hulk is a Mid-Herald. And I'm pretty sure those levels were made prior to World Breaker Hulk and Indestructible Hulk. But since those incarnations aren't in this thread Mid-Herald status is more than fair enough.
There's no way in hell Professor and Grey Hulk are mid-herald.
Savage Hulk only reached those levels through generouss retardedness on behalf of his opponent and ample time to build up his strength.
WWH's the only one who would place there. Not that general power matters because the hulk can't hit him
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Scan please. If you're just going to refer to a comic without a scan at least describe exactly what happens in the scan and who he's up agianst, then ask someone else if they can get the scan.
And it's not DCNU Superman, so my bad on that part 🙂
Originally posted by krisblaze
It could be 4 monguls, 4 rhinos, 4 sasquatches or 4 kalibaks It's 4 super-strong characters who aren't fast enough to tag Superman.
4 Monguls? Funny, because I remember just 1 Mongul tagging him and knocking the wind out of him. He then almost killed Batman and Wonder Woman in the time it took Superman to come back and bltiz him.
And even then, he clearly wasn't invisible to Mongul.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Classic Quicksilver, really? Guy who capped at speed of sound? Even the Hulk's faster than he is.
True, he tagged him pretty easily.
He also had no problem tagging Sentry or Gladiator.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Superman's much faster than Gladiator, Quicksilver, Sentry and Hyperion.
"Much" faster is debatable. Not that it matters as he's facing 4 Hulks here, not just 1.
Originally posted by krisblaze
How would it hit him? He's faster than the thunderclaps, and it's not like it'll do any damage to him.
The Thunderclaps will daze him long enough for them to jump him. Especially when you're talking about the thunderclaps of multiple Hulks.
Originally posted by krisblaze
They'll kill him? Grey Hulk and Professor Hulk won't even scratch him.
Really? The combined pounding of Grey and Professor won't do anything? And yet Mongul can blow the wind out of him, knocking him out of the fight for a while?
Originally posted by krisblaze
Savage Hulk and Scar need time to work up their strength,
No, it didn't work like that. They could sometimes amp very quickly as well.
Originally posted by krisblaze
and even then there's only a handful of incidents where they harm someone as durable as Superman.
They were a threat to every heavyweight in Marvel.
Originally posted by krisblaze
How? Superman's fighting to the full extent of his capabilities.
Lightspeed+ everything. Hulk can't hit him.[/B][/QUOTE]
Comic books say otherwise.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Superman being too fast for people who in turn are far faster than the Hulk, means that the'll be too fast for him...
And Hulk having no issue tagging Superman type speedsters like Gladiator and Hyperion says otherwise.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Those were not made prior to WWH, but WBH isn't included in the mid-herald tier.There's no way in hell Professor and Grey Hulk are mid-herald.
I'm pretty sure every Hulk is at least Low Herald. They're just too damn strong.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Savage Hulk only reached those levels through generouss retardedness on behalf of his opponent and ample time to build up his strength.
Was nothing to do with opponents retardness. His amps were very unpredictable.
Originally posted by krisblaze
WWH's the only one who would place there. Not that general power matters[b] because the hulk can't hit him [/B]
Don't see why not, when Mongul can.
Originally posted by krisblaze
No, you can drag your lazy ass to a respect thread or read comics that involve the characters you debate. Or maybe you should've heard of some of Superman's most famous fights, just maybe 🙂And it's not DCNU Superman, so my bad on that part 🙂
Lol at calling me Lazy when you're not even quoting what the feat is.