Originally posted by NemeBro The difference between Marvel and DC is that DC is more consistent in how it portrays speed, whereas the incompetents at Marvel see nothing wrong with street to low meta characters such as Spidey or Wolverine being faster than Thor in a fight. On paper and by their cheese feats, Superman is so much faster than Hulk that he could jam his pecker into Hulk's ass a thousand times before Hulk could realize his anus is bleeding, but because Hulk has feats fighting super fast characters like Sentry or Gladiator (Characters with lightspeed+ showings, if not as consistently fast as Superman) people are like "See? He can react to Superman!" Despite the fact that IIRC Hulk has almost always portrayed as slower than Wolverine or Spiderman.
I agree with everything you said except for the bold because Wolverine and Spiderman. That, and I don't really think that's the case. If you mean in fights between then yeah but once again Wolverine and Spiderman.
Also, "Superman is so much faster than the Hulk that he could jam his pecker into the Hulk's ass a thousand times before Hulk could realize his anus is bleeding" is not an image I wanted stuck in my head.
Superman: "Yer got a pretty face green boy."
Oh god, why did I just think that. Damn you Pulp Fiction.
DC empathizes speed far more and actually has characters with it as just one of their powers consistently portrayed as fast (Deathstroke blitzing Flash notwithstanding). Superman is very rarely caught off-guard by the speed of anyone below herald level, and I don't know if he's ever been explicitly said to be slower than a street leveler like Marvel Heralds such as Thor.
Batman.
That's all that needs to be really said but it's a lot like using Wolverine or Spiderman as examples. Not outright stated but even New 52 it's happening. Batman can still pull the old disappearing trick on Supes too.
Batman #20
http://i.imgur.com/A2Maxd9.jpg
Bat ninja.
Originally posted by Bentley
HP Doomsday got very lethal very fast and he has a slight speed edge on Thor. Thor's medium of teleporting isn't instantaneous either. Speed kills afterall.I see Thor coming back from otherwise lethal wounds when he brings his A-game.
So he can cover the distance before Thor could attack and Thor teleporting is with a wave of his hammer.
Originally posted by Iskandar
I agree with everything you said except for the bold because Wolverine and Spiderman. That, and I don't really think that's the case. If you mean in fights between then yeah but once again Wolverine and Spiderman.
In fights? Yeah. He really usually is. Hulk probably has better quantifiable speed feats than Wolverine at least (Escape Velocity jumping) but in a battle Hulk will almost invariably be portrayed as big and slow by comparison. Let us not forget that Juggernaut, who has been portrayed as much slower than Spiderman, also has no real trouble keeping up with Hulk in a fist fight.
Also, "Superman is so much faster than the Hulk that he could jam his pecker into the Hulk's ass a thousand times before Hulk could realize his anus is bleeding" is not an image I wanted stuck in my head.Superman: "Yer got a pretty face green boy."
Oh god, why did I just think that. Damn you Pulp Fiction.
You're welcome.
Batman.That's all that needs to be really said but it's a lot like using Wolverine or Spiderman as examples. Not outright stated but even New 52 it's happening. Batman can still pull the old disappearing trick on Supes too.
Batman #20
http://i.imgur.com/A2Maxd9.jpg
Bat ninja.
Batman surprises Superman with his stealth, sure, and that is extremely stupid. But I can't recall Batman ever outspeeding Superman. Compare to Wolverine, who has been explicitly said to be faster than Thor.
Deathstroke move so fast that Superman lost him for a little bit. Batman has out speed various versions if Superman with disappearing tricks. Parasite regularly is able to grab onto Supes even though he has no real natural super speed. Lex Luther is able to fight Superman in super armor even though he has peak human reaction speed.
So many examples of Superman not moving fast vs Mach 1 or lower speeds. Just as Hulk has trouble tagging Wolverine or Spider Man.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
Deathstroke move so fast that Superman lost him for a little bit. Batman has out speed various versions if Superman with disappearing tricks. Parasite regularly is able to grab onto Supes even though he has no real natural super speed. Lex Luther is able to fight Superman in super armor even though he has peak human reaction speed.
So many examples of Superman not moving fast vs Mach 1 or lower speeds. Just as Hulk has trouble tagging Wolverine or Spider Man.
Crazy thing is they are talking about Classic Hulk vs Wolverine and Spiderman. A weakened Hulk just fought Wolverine and Thing together and tagged Wolverine every time he swung his arm and defeated both of them while getting poison injected into his body. Hulk hasn't had issues with speed in a while (except recently in a Avengers comic against Nick Fury family in an enhanced suit). Ask them to show you some combat speed for new 52 Superman.
Originally posted by NemeBro
In fights? Yeah. He really usually is. Hulk probably has better quantifiable speed feats than Wolverine at least (Escape Velocity jumping) but in a battle Hulk will almost invariably be portrayed as big and slow by comparison. Let us not forget that Juggernaut, who has been portrayed as much slower than Spiderman, also has no real trouble keeping up with Hulk in a fist fight.You're welcome.
Batman surprises Superman with his stealth, sure, and that is extremely stupid. But I can't recall Batman ever outspeeding Superman. Compare to Wolverine, who has been explicitly said to be faster than Thor.
What if I post a predator out speeding Superman, would that be convincing enough for you?
Originally posted by NemeBro In fights? Yeah. He really usually is. Hulk probably has better quantifiable speed feats than Wolverine at least (Escape Velocity jumping) but in a battle Hulk will almost invariably be portrayed as big and slow by comparison. Let us not forget that Juggernaut, who has been portrayed as much slower than Spiderman, also has no real trouble keeping up with Hulk in a fist fight.
Yeah, but I don't take Spiderman fighting Juggernaut seriously either.
You're welcome.
It would fit too because Superman is from Kansas. You know, the whole red neck southern drawl.
Batman surprises Superman with his stealth, sure, and that is extremely stupid. But I can't recall Batman ever outspeeding Superman. Compare to Wolverine, who has been explicitly said to be faster than Thor.
Yes, that's why I equated it to Wolverine and Spiderman.
There's also Batman after being drugged up on of one of Scarecrow's new confections, some weird venom/fear toxin combo, and fighting Superman. Also, making Clark bleed. Thankfully Batman still lost.
Batman: The Dark Knight #5
While there's the excuse of Batman being drugged it wasn't anything more powerful than normal venom. So, it was still a silly fight.
Have a feeling someone is going to yoink those scans, omit the context, and post it on comicvine or something. I will probably regret making an album of it in the future.
If I am right you all owe me a pepperoni pizza. None of the cheap kind too.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
With Spiderman it's to do with his Spider Sense giving him super advanced reflexes. And the fact that he tends to maneuver around these big brutes like Hulk and Juggs.Oh and also because he's Marvel's poster boy so there is an Implied and Expected element of PIS there.
The last time Spiderman and Hulk fought, Hulk didn't have any problems tagging him at all.
Speed of physical movement is not the only factor in play in terms of combat speed...agility and tactical superiority can all be witnessed and defined as "speed" by the casual observer. It is absolutely possible to out-maneuver a faster or equally-fast opponent based on application of tactics and agility. The speed of combat is not purely dictated by the straight physical speed of the combatants.
My take: 4 Hulks stomp 1 Superman.
Superman vs Orion.
Orion doesn't have a single speed, durability, or strength ft that puts him anywhere close to Hulk's level. Let's see how he match up against Superman.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-03-22-11-28_zpsad06ab56.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-03-22-11-41_zps486ed1b6.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-03-22-11-58_zps7c657e81.png.html
Superman decides to use that famous blitz that everyone love to bring up. Guess what Orion does, smile at it.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-03-22-12-43_zpsf99eab87.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-03-22-13-53_zps7c8792a5.png.html
Superman decides to use that famous heat vision that people tends to bring up, guess what happens, Orion tanks it.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-03-22-14-39_zpscd0d3ade.png.html
Wonder Woman saves him...
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-03-22-15-00_zpsfc5957a6.png.html
Orion appears to be 100% without a scratch. Can the same be said for yow boy?
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-03-22-15-46_zpsfb8d6ac2.png.html
Next fight on the way (give me 5 minutes)...Superman vs Helspont.
Originally posted by GroggyGrunt
Speed of physical movement is not the only factor in play in terms of combat speed...agility and tactical superiority can all be witnessed and defined as "speed" by the casual observer. It is absolutely possible to out-maneuver a faster or equally-fast opponent based on application of tactics and agility. The speed of combat is not purely dictated by the straight physical speed of the combatants.My take: 4 Hulks stomp 1 Superman.
When Superman BFR several Hulks into space, how will they return?
