Theory concerning Nihilus

Originally posted by Sinious
Im sorry NewGuy but Im gonna have to call BS. In almost every context Nihilus' hunger and his capabilities with the drain are considered as a threat to the force itself. He is stated to be destined to consume all life until there is nothing left unless he is stopped. I don't see how a single word in a quote makes you doubt a dozen of other quotes that specifically clarify his devastation.

There is no proof that his drain is unstoppable. He failed to drain Visas even after the bond with her was severed. He failed to drain even non-sensitive Mandalorian.

Show a single example of Nihilus demonstrating unblockable drain.

Also, Force drain doesn't kill. Yuzhan Vongs and multiple Force-severed characters are proof of it.

Originally posted by Arhael
There is no proof that his drain is unstoppable. He failed to drain Visas even after the bond with her was severed. He failed to drain even non-sensitive Mandalorian.

Yeah, because Nihilus was really going to try his drain again with the Exile in the room.

Originally posted by Arhael
There is no proof that his drain is unstoppable. He failed to drain Visas even after the bond with her was severed. He failed to drain even non-sensitive Mandalorian.

Show a single example of Nihilus demonstrating unblockable drain.

Also, Force drain doesn't kill. Yuzhan Vongs and multiple Force-severed characters are proof of it.

And Nihilus can't drain anyone while he's draining himself constantly, as well as fighting three people.

He didn't try drain because he was pretty much on the verge of death and cause the Exile was essentially protecting everyone. And he can use his Drain in combat, he's actually ALWAYS doing it, that's how he keeps his crew zombified :I

Originally posted by The Merchant
cause the Exile was essentially protecting everyone.

I hear this a lot. Is there actually any evidence for this at all?

Meetra's force connections with her team is what I believe is the basis for most people.

Assumptions don't count.

He didn't try drain because he was pretty much on the verge of death and cause the Exile was essentially protecting everyone. And he can use his Drain in combat, he's actually ALWAYS doing it, that's how he keeps his crew zombified :I

Also, funny how in the same comment you explain why he didn't drain and then claim that he is ALWAYS draining.

Originally posted by Arhael
There is no proof that his drain is unstoppable.

I agree with this and believe there are several characters in the mythos that can stop him in combat.

He failed to drain Visas even after the bond with her was severed. He failed to drain even non-sensitive Mandalorian.

Failed? He tried to drain the Exile and due to Exile's unique connection to the force, he lost a lot of his powers. He didnt try it again after and since he was already weakened, he lost the fight too. This is no assumption by the way.

Show a single example of Nihilus demonstrating unblockable drain.

Katarr? Kreia? Everyone else that he ever encountered and drained?

Also, Force drain doesn't kill. Yuzhan Vongs and multiple Force-severed characters are proof of it.

Nihilus' drain is very different from that.

Originally posted by Arhael
Assumptions don't count.

Didn't try to drain because on the verge of death?

And Nihilus is always draining simply from his nature. It has nothing to do with him consciously trying to consume someone.

Failed? He tried to drain the Exile and due to Exile's unique connection to the force, he lost a lot of his powers. He didnt try it again after and since he was already weakened, he lost the fight too. This is no assumption by the way.

Katarr? Kreia? Everyone else that he ever encountered and drained?

Nihilus' drain is very different from that.

Regardless, you agree that several characters in the mythos can stop him.
Imho Force drain is just another technique with which he can overpower weaker characters like it is done with TK or lightning but it is not a hax technique, there is simply no proof of that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He spared her because he wanted her to see a world without the Force and convince her to his cause. Visas and Kreia mention this. He spared her specifically for a reason. He was on the planet because he wanted her. And she was on the floor because of the immeasurable pain the destruction caused her.

He spared her after he discovered her, is my point. The reason he spared her is irrelevant and doesn't answer my question, why was he down on the planet's surface in the first place. There is nothing to suggest he even knew she existed before then, considering all the talk about him looking beyond single individuals. It seemed to me, that upon discovering her, he felt some remorse because of the pain she was going through, so he tried to justify his actions. That seemed to be the implication.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
He spared her after he discovered her, is my point. The reason he spared her is irrelevant and doesn't answer my question, why was he down on the planet's surface in the first place. There is nothing to suggest he even knew she existed before then, considering all the talk about him looking beyond single individuals. It seemed to me, that upon discovering her, he felt some remorse because of the pain she was going through, so he tried to justify his actions. That seemed to be the implication.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
They don't want to because that would make Nihilus have the most impressive feat in the mythos, bar none, with no prep of anyone not a One or Abeloth. That means he'd dethrone Sidious.

Lol, No, it's not. Palpatine ripping apart the very fabric of space is a far greater display of sheer raw power, disintegrating multiple of capital warships in a matter of seconds. Not to mention that several sources say that the wormhole was increasing in size. Even if the destruction was under Nihilus own power, taking up a larger radius doesn't make it the most impressive feat. Furthermore, Nihilus was weakened from an unsuccessful attack on a single individual, which implies that the attack requires a tremendous amount of energy to use instantaneously, and weakens the user if he doesn't receive energy to replace the energy which is lost on the attack. That may or may not be evidence that his giga-drain does require prep. Or, as NewGuy theorizes, Nihilus may use his fleet to blast planets to ruin, and then goes down to collect the life force which is released from the casualties, which wouldn't require the power it does to forcefully rip the life force from the living. Not saying this is a fact, but it does make sense, considering his weakened state after a failed attempt in trying to drain a single individual, and the fact that he used force stun instead of just draining them from the get go.

Regardless, he does not dethrone Sidious.

That "single individual" happens to be another wound in the force, which appears to be the only way to counter Nihilus' drain from what we've seen. Nice attempt at being misleading.

Nihilus' drain is probably the single most impressive thing we've seen from anyone not not from Mortis.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
lolno. Visas says that all of the Force on the planet was stripped away and Nihilus came to her to show her that this was how the galaxy should be. He was trying to make a statement. He doesn't feel remorse.

That's a sign of remorse. Why would he care to justify his actions?

As I said, he didn't even know her until he discovered that she was alive.

Originally posted by Arhael
Ok, I admit that I assume as well that he would naturally try to drain anything in the vicinity due to hunger including Visas and Mandalorian. I guess he was dumb not to do it.
Funny thing some time ago I checked two different sources. In one it states that Nihilus tried to drain Exile, in another - that he lost due to being weakened by Visas breaking the bond. Also, player has the option to simply beat him up without offering to be drained or breaking bond. So how we decide, which tree pass is canon?

I haven't played KOTOR 2 in a long time but IIRC, Visas breaking the bond is a dark side option and so its not canon. The player never offers to be drained. When they encounter Nihilus, he stuns and tries to drain you and your companions. He fails and looses a lot of his power in attempt.

Katarr got destroyed/blasted into ruin, not drained.

Wow, so just because a thread was made to acknowledge this theory as a"theory", it is canon info?

Kreia got Force blasted into the wall, not drained.
There is no one else worthy of note.

That scene portrays the fall of Kreia as she was drained by Nihilus and was the only one to survive Nihilus' drain. Do you really think Kreia was referring to force push when she said "There are techniques within the Force against which there is no defense." ???

Or it's just a contradiction with the rest of SW universe, these kind of contradictions are quite common. There actually is concept of draining life Force outside Kotor universe but Kreia contradicted it by describing it as severing of the Force and agony that it causes.

I really suspect you never played KOTOR 2. If thats the case, you really shouldn't toss around ideas contradicting the obvious facts about the characters of KOTOR.

Regardless, you agree that several characters in the mythos can stop him.
Imho Force drain is just another technique with which he can overpower weaker characters like it is done with TK or lightning but it is not a hax technique, there is simply no proof of that.

Again his drain is a different force technique.

And yes I don't think he is unstoppable. I place him as the 3rd most powerful sith in my list tbh.

The real question for me is how individuals such as Traya, Meetra, and Quel-Droma even survived being cut from the Force, considering that life and the Force are synonymous to a degree.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
That's a sign of remorse. Why would he care to justify his actions?

As I said, he didn't even know her until he discovered that she was alive.

Of course, most people don't know each other until they meet, so you're spot on with the last bit.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The real question for me is how individuals such as Traya, Meetra, and Quel-Droma even survived being cut from the Force, considering that life and the Force are synonymous to a degree.

The norm is that there is no life without the force. Thats why Kreia was so amazed by Meetra.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The real question for me is how individuals such as Traya, Meetra, and Quel-Droma even survived being cut from the Force, considering that life and the Force are synonymous to a degree.

Traya's and Quel Droma's case is more understandable. It just seems like they were unable to harness the force, but the force still resided in them as it does in non-force-sensitives. Or, well, that's how it could be interpreted in their case. In Meetra's case, however, yeah it doesn't make too much sense. Being a wound in the force seems to imply that the force didn't exist in her, and the term being "a wound in the force" seemed to be literal considering Nihilus couldn't receive any energy from her. Even non-force-sensitives can be drained, so Meetra's state of being a wound doesn't make any sense.