Darth Nihilus vs Darth Vader TK Battle

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Or obviously Nihilus's influence over the vessel was overstated. And again, remind me of the need for explosive charges in this instance when killing Nihilus is enough to ensure the vessel's destruction?

Canderous, Tobin and Visas all back each others statements up about Nihilus' effects of the ship and it's..... erm, spaceworthiness? without his influence. Whereas the only thing indicating that he didn't hold it together is the speculation of a desperate fanboy. For some reason I think they knew more about it than you.

They didn't know he was holding it together until they'd already boarded and set the charges. And completely destroying the enemies flagship beyond repair is clearly a good tactical move regardless.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You seem angry. excellent

I did notice the screenshot. But it's not what I asked for. I said that there exists no evidence that Nihilus's powers retrieved the Ravager from Malachor's mass shadows and that there's no proof it was done in a manner relevant to this fight. FreshestSlice said he could provide a screenshot saying as much. What he provided doesn't do that. For all we know, it was the product of a ritualized display of might and/or in collusion with surviving Sith forces on Malachor.

Er, no? Mostly bored. Why are you bringing this up again? We've established this over and over again. You never win.

Nihilus is the only one credited as hauling it up in every source. And theres no "lift ship" ritual and Nihilus hasn't displayed any knowledge of rituals or sorcery or whatever. Tobin actually specifically says it was a demonstration of Nihilus' power.

Originally posted by appletonia
Out of curiosity Tempest, provided that Nihilus did do what FreshestSlice and co are claiming, are you in agreement that his TK vastly outstrips Vader's?

I can neither confirm or deny that at this time. I always like to hedge and leave myself room to return and crush you heretics in the off-chance one of you blasphemers can navigate my traps and tricks. uhuh

Originally posted by Nephthys
Canderous, Tobin and Visas all back each others statements up about Nihilus' effects of the ship and it's..... erm, spaceworthiness? without his influence.

Oh? They independently confirm that the ship couldn't possibly endure without Nihilus's infernal guidance?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Whereas the only thing indicating that he didn't hold it together is the speculation of a desperate fanboy. For some reason I think they knew more about it than you.

Indeed?

Originally posted by Nephthys
They didn't know he was holding it together until they'd already boarded and set the charges. And completely destroying the enemies flagship beyond repair is clearly a good tactical move regardless.

True!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Er, no? Mostly bored. Why are you bringing this up again? We've established this over and over again. You never win.

Are you kidding? I always win; your obvious anger is proof enough of that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nihilus is the only one credited as hauling it up in every source. And theres no "lift ship" ritual and Nihilus hasn't displayed any knowledge of rituals or sorcery or whatever. Tobin actually specifically says it was a demonstration of Nihilus' power.

Cool. So every time my history book says "Hitler invaded Russia in Operation Barbarossa," that means ol' Adolf, gun in hand, was actually trudging through the snow to kill some Reds?

I might have to take the blame for my young padawan's anger. I don't think he liked me referring to him as "co". 😈

Originally posted by appletonia
I might have to take blame for my young padawan's anger. I don't think he liked me referring to him as "co". 😈

He shall emerge stronger than ever through this crucible of hatred. I am strengthening him. This is merely trial by fire.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Oh? They independently confirm that the ship couldn't possibly endure without Nihilus's infernal guidance?

Indeed?

True!

Are you kidding? I always win; your obvious anger is proof enough of that.

Cool. So every time my history book says "Hitler invaded Russia in Operation Barbarossa," that means ol' Adolf, gun in hand, was actually trudging through the snow to kill some Reds?

Tempest doesn't sound that crazy to be honest. I do think Vader isnt even same tier with Nihilus in TK atm but I have my doubts whether the Ravager feat is as it seems or not.

Suddenly it's pulled one ship from the planet to orbit. Tut tut.

The fact that he was on a Nexus and the fact that the engines ran also lower this feat, he'd have to hold the ship together and give it a push but the engines would help a hell of a lot.

Shame, that feat had been hyped so much I believed it, until seeing that.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Oh? They independently confirm that the ship couldn't possibly endure without Nihilus's infernal guidance?

Yep.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Indeed?

Uh-huh.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
True!

Thanks.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Are you kidding? I always win; your obvious anger is proof enough of that.

I don't understand why you need to accuse me of anger every time we discuss something. You're obviously trying to start shit, I'm not gonna let myself get invested in this. I really just don't care that much.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Cool. So every time my history book says "Hitler invaded Russia in Operation Barbarossa," that means ol' Adolf, gun in hand, was actually trudging through the snow to kill some Reds?

Hitler doesn't have telekinesis and access to insane amounts of power.

Originally posted by Selenial
Suddenly it's pulled one ship from the planet to orbit. Tut tut.

The fact that he was on a Nexus and the fact that the engines ran also lower this feat, he'd have to hold the ship together and give it a push but the engines would help a hell of a lot.

Shame, that feat had been hyped so much I believed it, until seeing that.

Theres no mention of the engines functioning or helping. The loading screen says he "hauled" it from Malachor and others say he raised it, tore it and pulled it, not flew it.

In fact, iirc one source says he made it serviceable after pulling it out.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's still above anything we've seen from anyone else, ever, with TK.

I would say Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron manipulating Dovin basals are probably the greatest demonstrations of TK, but it's not at all consistent with the power they usually display, so ultimately I would have to say Nihilus was the TK GOAT.

I do find it funny how often people try to make Nihilus out to be some kind of one trick pony with his sever ability when on top of that he's also perhaps the single greatest practitioner of the quintissential Jedi ability.

Tulak Hord ripping a 300 meter long capital ship out of the sky is also comparable imo. Though not equal.

I've got your 300 meter warship right here.

(I'm grabbing my crotch.)

That must be really inconvenient.

Originally posted by appletonia
I would say Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron manipulating Dovin basals are probably the greatest demonstrations of TK, but it's not at all consistent with the power they usually display, so ultimately I would have to say Nihilus was the TK GOAT.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That must be really inconvenient.

You'd think but your butthole is pretty accommodating. 131

I guess. I did once stuff the entire cast of The Next Generation up there, with room to spare.

So... Number One is where you do your Number Twos? haermm

Also a lot of people overlook the fact that he didn't just pull the ships together, which in of itself is a monstrous feat, he also powered all the ships with his own force energies, hyperdrive and all. Now I'm no expert when it comes to KOTOR ships, however ships like an Imperial Star Desstroyer have power outputs equal to Small Stars.