Bane, Zannah, and Kas'im vs. Vader, Dooku, and Revan

Originally posted by ares834
He destroyed the archway. And then, the temple was destabilized enough, that the ceiling collapsed.

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With nexus energy he gathered while Kas'im was speaking like a retard. Vader has collapsed a cathedral without nexus power, Revan has collapsed arch ways without a nexus, and Dooku has rained down boulders that buried Tholme without a nexus. Bane's feat is pathetic

On the landing high above Kas’im stood beneath the massive arch of the Temple entrance, staring down at him.

"I will follow you wherever you run," he said. "Wherever you go I will eventually find you and kill you. Don’t live your life in fear, Bane. Better to end it now."

"I agree," Bane replied, hurling out the wave of Force energy he had been gathering during the Blademaster’s speech.

Originally posted by appletonia
There seems to be this attitude here that movie characters are automatically superior to non-movie characters until proven otherwise, in which case all the evidence provided for the non-movie character is usually ignored or downplayed.

Not necessarily, it's really just based on feats.

Dooku has feats to back up the fact that he's one of the best duelists in the mythos.

Kas'im doesn't have anything to back him up, really, other than his fight against a pre prime Bane and the quote from Bane's perspective (At least, that's how I took it), claiming Kas'im was probably "the best duelist in the galaxy" or something like that.

Unless I've forgotten some quantifiable feats for him.

There are no quantifiable feats for Kas'im, he has no accolades over than Bane's ignorant opinion substantiating his skill level as a duelist.

He is featless

Originally posted by Trocity
You are a decent troll, you don't make it blatantly obvious.

Still... You can not fool me.

Actually, our official troll here is Carthage. 😉

👆 Sinny

Team 1 lost as soon as Kas'im was put on their team against powerhouses like team 2.

Revan could probably solo TBH.

Originally posted by ares834
Revan could probably solo TBH.

Bane DoE and Revan Reborn are near equals, even Drew said that Vader, Bane and Revan is too close.(Though more over that is him dodging a question)

Bane DoE is inferior to Revan in just about every way apart from Strength.

Kas'im's best feat is training a bunch of kids sent at the front lines :I

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Originally posted by ares834
He destroyed the archway. And then, the temple was destabilized enough, that the ceiling collapsed.

Theres no way destroying the entrance archway alone could destroy the entire temple now. Not with the new size of it.

Not to mention, thats a load a bs anyway. Thats not what happened.

Originally posted by Trocity
Not necessarily, it's really just based on feats.

Dooku has feats to back up the fact that he's one of the best duelists in the mythos.

Kas'im doesn't have anything to back him up, really, other than his fight against a pre prime Bane and the quote from Bane's perspective (At least, that's how I took it), claiming Kas'im was probably "the best duelist in the galaxy" or something like that.

Unless I've forgotten some quantifiable feats for him.

It isn't just Bane saying he's the best. Why do people forget that Bane said that for a reason? He said that Kas'im had mastered all lightsaber forms and then spent decades perfecting every aspect of them, which naturally makes him one of the most gifted duelists in history and yes, maybe the most skilled ever.

The quote could also be from an omniscient perspective. I found a quote in a chapter focused on Bane that specifically says something he doesn't know. That proves that the book can go into an omniscient perspective at times and expand outside of Bane's knowledge. Plus, Karpyshyn said in one of his emails that whether or not that accolade was Bane's opinion or an omniscient perspective was debatable. So there is a good possibility that Kas'im's accolade was from an omniscient perspective.

However even if that accolade was Bane's opinion, this is the guy who spent hours upon hours reading up on the exaggerated accounts of ancient Sith, such as Tulak Hord, Exar Kun, and "many true lightsaber masters," and holding them at a standard beyond that of the Brotherhood of Darkness, which he despised. Kas'im's bladework impressing Bane enough for him to entertain the possibility that Kas'im could be the greatest duelist of all time is still really impressive.

Not to mention it's not just Bane's opinion that holds Kas'im at such high esteem, Kaan and Githany both agree that Kas'im is the best duelist in the order, Githany going on to think that Kas'im is their best fighter.

Not to mention that despite being plagued by only appearing in one source, Kas'im still demonstrates a high level of mastery. Kas'im defeated his master Nad'az before his prime, who was particularly very skilled at lightsaber combat foremost above his other abilities. Kas'im also mastered all seven forms of lightsaber combat and spent decades perfecting every move and sequence of these forms. Then we have the fact that Sirak himself was an impressive enough duelist to be capable of casually using sequences that blend several forms together and rapidly switch between forms, and when Bane stomped Sirak, he considered the notion that he could take on Kas'im in a serious fight to be preposterous, and this was before Bane even knew Kas'im's full capabilities with a saberstaff, much less with Jar'kai.

Not to mention Kas'im's speed is also very impressive, striking at ten times a second with a saberstaff, and striking even faster after switching to Jar'kai.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Kas'im sucks, he is obviously an extraordinary duelist.

All I'm saying is you can't logically say Kas'im > Dooku when you have a mountain of feats for one and a small section of a single novel, in which most of his skill is implied, not proven, for another.

Here's a question - do you think Kas'im beats Lsu in sabers only?
And what about if she's amped?

Unamped, yes.

Amp? No ****ing way.

Theres no way destroying the entrance archway alone could destroy the entire temple now. Not with the new size of it.

Not to mention, thats a load a bs anyway. Thats not what happened.

Cool story bro, Bane's nexus wave leveled the area Kasi'm was standing in i,e the archway. I know your reading comprehension is horrendous (like your debating ability), but that's what it says in the text

On the landing high above Kas’im stood beneath the massive arch of the Temple entrance, staring down at him.

I,e Your opinion doesn't gel with the text. You're full of poop like always.

It isn't just Bane saying he's the best. Why do people forget that Bane said that for a reason? He said that Kas'im had mastered all lightsaber forms and then spent decades perfecting every aspect of them, which naturally makes him one of the most gifted duelists in history and yes, maybe the most skilled ever.

And Bane is full of shit because Kas'im has no feats to back up his claim of being "one of the most gifted duelists" 👆. You're comparing two different things kid, technical mastery doesn't make him a good duelist it makes him technically proficient. Kas'im has no dueling feats to support being a "Gifted duelist", and Bane's opinion is not an accolade/feat.