Killing

Originally posted by red g jacks
i don't understand this. how can it be necessary but not justified.

Because those words are not synonymous.

"Necessary" just means that on some level, it "had" to be done. So, you had to kill the man who had a knife to your daughter's throat or else your daughter would die. Or, depending on what you think of capital punishment, it might be necessary to put serial killers to death because they pose a certain threat to society.

"Justified" means that it was a morally good and righteous deed. "I'm a good person because I shot that man in the head".

Originally posted by NemeBro
"Justified" means that it was a morally good and righteous deed. "I'm a good person because I shot that man in the head".

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having, done for, or marked by a good or legitimate reason.

But even with the definition you gave it, shooting the man holding the knife to your daughters throat would make you a better person than not doing it in my opinion.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Some people just need to die I guess. 😆

Well it's true lol.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Because those words are not synonymous.

"Necessary" just means that on some level, it "had" to be done. So, you had to kill the man who had a knife to your daughter's throat or else your daughter would die. Or, depending on what you think of capital punishment, it might be necessary to put serial killers to death because they pose a certain threat to society.

"Justified" means that it was a morally good and righteous deed. "I'm a good person because I shot that man in the head".

Originally posted by Damborgson
Justified means there was a good reason for something to happen.

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having, done for, or marked by a good or legitimate reason.

But even with the definition you gave it, shooting the man holding the knife to your daughters throat would make you a better person than not doing it in my opinion.

plus, it is meaningless to say you're a good person for any individual act. saying an act is justified doesn't raise the prestige of the actor. someone could be a sociopath who does all sorts of wrong shit and still do something else that is perfectly justified.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Justified means there was a good reason for something to happen.

1.
having, done for, or marked by a good or legitimate reason.

But even with the definition you gave it, shooting the man holding the knife to your daughters throat would make you a better person than not doing it in my opinion.

Why do you desire death?

Your opinion is wrong. 👆

It probably makes him a smarter/more practical person but it doesn't make him a morally better person.

Originally posted by red g jacks
^what he said.

plus, it is meaningless to say you're a good person for any individual act. saying an act is justified doesn't raise the prestige of the actor. someone could be a sociopath who does all sorts of wrong shit and still do something else that is perfectly justified.

It makes sense that to be a "moral" person, whatever that means, one must take largely "moral" actions right? So the more moral actions you take, the better your moral standing.

Of course morality is a human construct and arguably arbitrary but for the purposes of discussion (And because the topic of the thread is based on whether or not killing is "justified"😉 let's pretend it is a definite construct.

That "sociopath" who does all sorts of wrong shit but has the occasional standard (Doesn't harm children, w/e) is going to be a more "moral" person than one who would kill the shit out of that kid and laugh about it. If only relatively. Get it?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Even under the ****** Google definition you used, "good", under similar ****** Google definitions, means "to be desired or approved of."

Why do you desire death?

Your opinion is wrong. 👆

It probably makes him a smarter/more practical person but it doesn't make him a morally better person.

Lol? Google > you. And one doesn't interfere with the other.

Because an assailant is threatening my daughter? Wanting to end the life of someone who wants to end my daughter's is an easily justifiable cause.

I have never been wrong since birth. You're obviously retarded 👆

Morals are subjective and depending on the situation, can do more harm than good. If moral goodness prevents you from harming the attacker harming your daughter, then that makes you a piece of shit. If you shoot the man even if it doesn't give you pleasure, you've put aside your personal problems with it and focused yourself to the well being of your child. How is this not good/justifiable?

Not reading back, but is Nemebro hating on children again?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Even under the ****** Google definition you used, "good", under similar ****** Google definitions, means "to be desired or approved of."

Why do you desire death?

Your opinion is wrong. 👆

It probably makes him a smarter/more practical person but it doesn't make him a morally better person.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Well it does, actually.

It makes sense that to be a "moral" person, whatever that means, one must take largely "moral" actions right? So the more moral actions you take, the better your moral standing.

Of course morality is a human construct and arguably arbitrary but for the purposes of discussion (And because the topic of the thread is based on whether or not killing is "justified"😉 let's pretend it is a definite construct.

That "sociopath" who does all sorts of wrong shit but has the occasional standard (Doesn't harm children, w/e) is going to be a more "moral" person than one who would kill the shit out of that kid and laugh about it. If only relatively. Get it?