Jaina Solo vs Darth Plageuis.

Plagueis doesn't have any good TK feats. Jaina doesn't either but she tanked TK of Caedus who has TK feats rivaling Luke. So I don't see how Plagueis can take her out with Force.

He's lifted massive boulders to stack to escape a way to get out of the cavern on Baldemnic. He's forced Sidious to the ground, force choked Darth Sidious, and caused an earthquake when fighting the Maladian assassins, as well as disintegrated the assassins, had lightning that disintegrated the pirates on the Woebegone, and also spread over an entire landscape. What force feats does Jaina have to compare?

In sabers again Plagueis has literally no good feats. Jaina fought 12 Slayers together with Luke and Caedus. One ill Slayer easily defeated Kyp Durron in comparison. And since then she improved farther by incorporating mandalorian training into her style

Too bad none of those Slayers moved fast enough to be perceived as a red bolt of lightning, knew Plagueis's style perfectly, and challenged Plagueis to the point where he had to use Battle mind to beat him. Has Jaina ever fought through hundreds of droids and dodged their blaster fire, gone through hundreds of Kursid warriors and emerged unscathed, or smashed through armored torso, snapped necks with her bare hands, or moved as fast as Plagueis?

Her duels with Caedus all had circumstances against him, she isn't fighting a near half dead fighter who is heavily injured and she doesn't have an amp.

Seriously. Give me at least one impressive thing about him apart from the ability to survive sever blood loss. He fought a featless Bith apprentice. He killed with TK a few non-sensitive mooks. Anything else?

People have listed feats here, and you have shown nothing that shows Jaina is superior to Hego.

Atomizing people with TK blast ? Shaking the ground with enough force to knock out highly trained assassins ? Force choking young Palpatine ? Collapsing a cave very quickly that even Tenebrous didn't noticed ? Using dual heart stun ?

Plagueis has very very good TK feats, he can even move microscopic beings with his TK as well, some people are forgetting that TK feats are not only about collapsing caves or moving spaceships, sometimes controlling tiny things requires great mastery of the force as well.

For example ; Dooku using TK on small knife from a significant distance, it is a good TK feat ;

YouTube video

Plagueis stomps.

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Originally posted by Marco1907
Plagueis has very very good TK feats, he can even move microscopic beings with his TK as well, some people are forgetting that TK feats are not only about collapsing caves or moving spaceships, sometimes controlling tiny things requires great mastery of the force as well.

Its a standard Jedi practising technique to manipulate air particles. And Bane was manipulating sub-atomic particles in RoT. Hell, iirc Jaina herself was capable of creating light by manipulating atomic particles or whatever, as a child.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm pretty sure chilled monkey wasn't being sincere with that post...

I assure you I was being totally sincere.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'm pretty sure he was. He, after all, is a massive supporter of the NJO women.

I was, and I am, very proudly so. Thank you.

Originally posted by Q99
Seriously? I don't think I rate Plagueis as high as some, but he was described as having very high speed, he trained Sidious to fight, and he dueled a dueling focused warrior specifically trained to beat him.

That's not my image of feeble, even if he does use the force to clinch the contests versus *strong* foes!

To be honest I was greatly exaggerating. Its undisputable though that Plagueis duelling skills are nothing outstanding.

Yes he's fast, but speed and skill are two different things. Training Palpatine doesn't really mean much by itself. Yeah, he gave him a foundation to build on and taught him the techniques but any fighter will tell you that just knowing the moves isn't enough.

Would you claim that whoever taught Michael Jordan must be as good as him?

Also he only beat that " dueling focused warrior" because of his strength in the Force. Same way he wins all his fights.

Originally posted by Q99
even if he does use the force to clinch the contests versus *strong* foes!

More like versus any foes. When has Plagueis beaten anyone primarily through swordsmanship?

And considering it's your area of expertise, what notable duelists (other than Caedus) has Jaina defeated? Also, does she have any good TK feats?

Originally posted by Arhael
It means you can imagine anything but atomization

lol'd. That doesn't even make sense.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
And considering it's your area of expertise, what notable duelists (other than Caedus) has Jaina defeated?

We could ask the same thing of Plageuis.

That wasn't an argument, I'm genuinely curious.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nope. EvanNova. Behold the inspiration for my thread:

YouTube video

Yeah that video was awful too.

Originally posted by Arhael
Jaina fought 12 Slayers together with Luke and Caedus. One ill Slayer easily defeated Kyp Durron in comparison.

Have you actually read both of those fights and understand the context?

Please don't take this as a serious measure of their relative abilities.

If Jaina were still canon: Plagueis's (Windu's style-esque) fast-paced style and build would have some difficulty in overcoming her allusive acrobatics, as with Yoda.

Jaina is a Skywalker, so her power-level would be comparable enough with Plageuis to win.

So I do agree with his surmise, although Plageuis' omni-ranged telekinetic capabilties is what would give him a win if anything.

In fact, Jaina never showed the ability Vitiate and Plagueis had to disintegrate opponents, indicating his overall power level was more extreme. Plagueis could make more calculations to better utilize his TK than the video would indicate. Plagueis had greater Force speed as well. Honestly, considering their combat applicable Force powers, probably Plagueis more than not.

Originally posted by carthage
[B]He's lifted massive boulders to stack to escape a way to get out of the cavern on Baldemnic. He's forced Sidious to the ground, force choked Darth Sidious, and caused an earthquake when fighting the Maladian assassins, as well as disintegrated the assassins, had lightning that disintegrated the pirates on the Woebegone, and also spread over an entire landscape. What force feats does Jaina have to compare?

Too bad none of those Slayers moved fast enough to be perceived as a red bolt of lightning, knew Plagueis's style perfectly, and challenged Plagueis to the point where he had to use Battle mind to beat him. Has Jaina ever fought through hundreds of droids and dodged their blaster fire, gone through hundreds of Kursid warriors and emerged unscathed, or smashed through armored torso, snapped necks with her bare hands, or moved as fast as Plagueis?

Her duels with Caedus all had circumstances against him, she isn't fighting a near half dead fighter who is heavily injured and she doesn't have an amp.

People have listed feats here, and you have shown nothing that shows Jaina is superior to Hego.

Indeed, he showed himself well against non-sensitive assassins. Jaina defeated mutiple beskar covered mandalorians in comparison.

Also, killed half dozen Sith together with Luke on darkside nexus. Also, fought simultaneously and killed multiple Sith in Apocalypse.

What? Zannah's feat only disintegrated a child's hand, and she was like 12, not 6. Days earlier Zannah also defended herself from a storm that ravaged the planet's surface.

Plagueis conversely disintegrated 6 armored maladians. It's on a completely different scale.

Zannah also has one of the highest force potentials in history. Saying that somethings easily because she did it is like saying it's easy to levitate or block the Force Storm because she did it.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
What? Zannah's feat only disintegrated a child's hand, and she was like 12, not 6. Days earlier Zannah also defended herself from a storm that ravaged the planet's surface.

Plagueis conversely disintegrated 6 armored maladians. It's on a completely different scale.