Originally posted by riv6672
Things i've "learned" about Superman at KMC:Superman, even with speed and strength equalized, will still manage to be faster and stronger than opponents. He is also better at HtH than opponents even when he's really not.
Superman fights more like the Flash than the Flash, because even though he doesnt actually fight that way in continuity, and the Flash himself gets hit in continuity, Superman will at all times be untouchable. Which leads me to...
CIS/PIS only applies to opponents, until someone calls foul on the hypocrisy.
The more opponents Superman faces at one time, who could, individually, give him a good fight, or even best him, will, as a group, become exponentially weaker.
Superman, he dont lose.
Yep. I really used to love the Superman character, but then I come here, and his fans have served to completely make me hesitant of even reading his comics. It's a good thing that he wasn't given TP, or Magical abilities, because if he had them, I can see his fans claiming that he'd blitz all of reality.
His fans have to understand that he's awesome in his element, but there are beings outside of his element, that would absolutely destroy him, and the characters that could destroy him, would be destroyed by characters that he could destroy. All characters have weak points.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Based on what?The Midgard Serpent is the pinnacle, what else would you point to?
Let me guess, you'll say it doesn't matter and wait for someone else to snipe and then post LOL.
Originally posted by h1a8
You are forgetting the most important thing here? Speed!
A single Superman alone could blitz the majority of the team and do well for a while. His speed would beat IM, Hulk, BB, Strange, etc very quickly.5 superman is spite imo
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Doh! How could we forget speed?! Even 1 Superman could take this. Speed Blitz for the automatic win every time!
Originally posted by riv6672
HELL yes! A CIS/PISless Flash is incredibly powerful. He can...Wait, what? This is Superman?Pfft. Nevermind.
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Superman and The Flash are The Same when it comes to Speed! They are pretty much just as fast as each other. And the way they use that speed in character is almost exactly the same as well. If you don't believe me ask Abhilegend. He will put you straight.
Also just putting it out there, but Superman is clearly stronger than Hulk AT BASE LEVEL. And he's pretty much as strong as the strongest Hulk ever gets. And he also uses his strength in the exact same way Hulk does. True story. Ask Abhi or Lord of B. They'll both confirm this.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Superman and The Flash are The Same when it comes to Speed! They are pretty much just as fast as each other. And the way they use that speed in character is almost exactly the same as well. If you don't believe me ask Abhilegend. He will put you straight.Also just putting it out there, but Superman is clearly stronger than Hulk AT BASE LEVEL. And he's pretty much as strong as the strongest Hulk ever gets. And he also uses his strength in the exact same way Hulk does. True story. Ask Abhi or Lord of B. They'll both confirm this.
Lmao!!
Originally posted by krisblaze
How many serious fights do you know of, where Superman just tanks stuff...?
As opposed to fighting like the Flash?
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Do i really need to point out how silly that particular question is in relation to the number of threads/posts/scans generated here which highlight Superman's strength and invulnerability as being greater than everyone else's?
Until they arent.
And then suddenly he's transformed into Barry Allen.
Go try that backwards logic nonsense on someone else, Krisblaze.
Originally posted by riv6672
As opposed to fighting like the Flash?
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Do i really need to point out how silly that particular question is in relation to the number of threads/posts/scans generated here which highlight Superman's strength and invulnerability as being greater than everyone else's?Until they arent.
And then suddenly he's transformed into Barry Allen.
Go try that backwards logic nonsense on someone else, Krisblaze.
What do you mean 'fights' like the Flash? Obviously Superman doesn't run, he flies, but the fact that his legs don't shoot up and down doesn't mean he's not moving as fast.
KMC Superman isn't just an average of Superman's showings, it's supposed to be an average of Superman fighting to the best of his ability. This goes for any character, and for characters like Superman, Flash, Thor or Surfer, who always holds back, THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
Which means that he fights like he did against The Elite, Ultraman/WW/Owl, Zod+gang, Doomsday and so on. Fights where he uses his speed, strength and heat-vision. How else would he fight? By phucking biting people?
I've asked you so many times why you think that the Grey Hulk, Professor Hulk or Savage Hulk can fight Superman 1 on 1? In the thread which seemingly birthed your rage, you gave each of the 4 Hulks an equal opportunity against Superman, when the gap is so enormous that 1 of them could probably kill 100 of the others.
Do you just consider all 'main characters' to be generally equal? With no regard for who they fight and how they perform? Or how they would match against eachother given their abilities?
Its odd how you're a generally level headed poster except for a few characters.
Then all this rage comes out...😂
I already said what i had to on 1 Superman 4 Hulks, in the thread YOU keep bringing up; let it go, guy. Go re-read my stuff or wait for the TPB to come out.
And you know very well that regardless of what you just posted it boils down to Superman gets every advantage possible, while other characters dont.
Do i believe all main characters are equal?
Not at all.
I just dont believe the power gap is like the difference between an elephant and a squirrel.
And, like i pointed out to someone yesterday, i'm the one that can and has admitted when my characters are out powered by others.
When you can do that, i might care what all you have to say on certain subjects. Until then, either ignore me or continue to be frustrated at my impudence.
Originally posted by riv6672
Its odd how you're a generally level headed poster except for a few characters.
Then all this rage comes out...😂I already said what i had to on 1 Superman 4 Hulks, in the thread YOU keep bringing up; let it go, guy. Go re-read my stuff or wait for the TPB to come out.
And you know very well that regardless of what you just posted it boils down to Superman gets every advantage possible, while other characters dont.
Do i believe all main characters are equal?
Not at all.
I just dont believe the power gap is like the difference between an elephant and a squirrel.And, like i pointed out to someone yesterday, i'm the one that can and has admitted when my characters are out powered by others.
When you can do that, i might care what all you have to say on certain subjects. Until then, either ignore me or continue to be frustrated at my impudence.
I don't care for attempts to snipe at me, I just want you to try and lay down a specific grounded argument.
Now it's all "I don't believe he's faster than them" or "they'd get him eventually", but you haven't backed this up with anything. You're just making statements and insulting people who disagree with you, without any attempt at any kind of civil discourse.
I've explained to you why on Superman would use his speed. Hell, he goes all out with his speed in practically every important fight he's in (assuming he's not 1 out of 20 heroes, at which point they all turn to shit).
So how does the Grey Hulk challenge him..? How does the Grey Hulk in any way compare to Scar?
Originally posted by krisblaze
I'm asking you why you feel that each of the 4 Hulks could give Superman an equal fight, when the gap between those 4 are huuuuuuge?I don't care for attempts to snipe at me, I just want you to try and lay down a specific grounded argument.
Now it's all "I don't believe he's faster than them" or "they'd get him eventually", but you haven't backed this up with anything. You're just making statements and insulting people who disagree with you, without any attempt at any kind of civil discourse.
I've explained to you why on Superman would use his speed. Hell, he goes all out with his speed in practically every important fight he's in (assuming he's not 1 out of 20 heroes, at which point they all turn to shit).
So how does the Grey Hulk challenge him..? How does the Grey Hulk in any way compare to Scar?
Feel free to quote and reply to each bit.
As opposed to acting like some uppity phuck.