Originally posted by GroggyGrunt
I'm not saying he doesn't have striking power, but I think that Hulk would just keep getting madder and stronger every time Nimrod came back and it would take time for Nimrod to circumvent that.
Oh no don't worry wasn't accusing you of not saying that in any way.
Was just adding some more info on Nimrod.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Oh no don't worry wasn't accusing you of not saying that in any way.Was just adding some more info on Nimrod.
Wait, you're not accusing me of not saying that? Did I not say I didn't say he doesn't have......I'm so lost now... 😕 😄
More info is always good, I have to admit I learn a lot around here (particularly on all the current stuff).
Originally posted by krisblaze
Nimrod effectively cancelled X-23's healing factor.
Yep, here are the scans from the respect thread.
After this battle X-23 didn't heal at all.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19991658/12.png.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19991659/13.png.html
I personally think Nimrod takes this...
Some of you think Savage Hulk can just "get" to Nimrod and rip him apart, but Nimrod has only been successfully physically assaulted hand to hand after being distracted or after some exotic tactic has been used...
Nimrod has strong force fields that can also repulse enemies away from him, an array of abilities to keep Hulk from pounding on him, and he will absolutely not just stand there and attempt to brawl with Hulk as CIS/PIS causes so many other opponents to do...
Classic Juggs was completely unable to just run up to Nimrod and pound on him as some of you are suggesting; what makes you all think Savage Hulk would fare any better?
Edit: Whats to stop Nimrod from just levitating Hulk into the air when the Hulk comes at him (exactly as he did Classic Juggs) whenever he needs to keep space against Hulk?
Nimrod has been shown to (on panel) fly over his opponents, scan them for weaknesses, and attack from the air; combined with the other numerous things Nimrod can do, how can Hulk engage Nimrod physically if Nimrod does not wish it?
Nimrod gets blitzed.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I personally think Nimrod takes this...Some of you think Savage Hulk can just "get" to Nimrod and rip him apart, but Nimrod has only been successfully physically assaulted hand to hand after being distracted or after some exotic tactic has been used...
Nimrod has strong force fields that can also repulse enemies away from him, an array of abilities to keep Hulk from pounding on him, and he will absolutely not just stand there and attempt to brawl with Hulk as CIS/PIS causes so many other opponents to do...
Classic Juggs was completely unable to just run up to Nimrod and pound on him as some of you are suggesting; what makes you all think Savage Hulk would fare any better?
Edit: Whats to stop Nimrod from just levitating Hulk into the air when the Hulk comes at him (exactly as he did Classic Juggs) whenever he needs to keep space against Hulk?
Nimrod has been shown to (on panel) fly over his opponents, scan them for weaknesses, and attack from the air; combined with the other numerous things Nimrod can do, how can Hulk engage Nimrod physically if Nimrod does not wish it?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I personally think Nimrod takes this...Some of you think Savage Hulk can just "get" to Nimrod and rip him apart, but Nimrod has only been successfully physically assaulted hand to hand after being distracted or after some exotic tactic has been used...
Nimrod has strong force fields that can also repulse enemies away from him, an array of abilities to keep Hulk from pounding on him, and he will absolutely not just stand there and attempt to brawl with Hulk as CIS/PIS causes so many other opponents to do...
Classic Juggs was completely unable to just run up to Nimrod and pound on him as some of you are suggesting; what makes you all think Savage Hulk would fare any better?
Edit: Whats to stop Nimrod from just levitating Hulk into the air when the Hulk comes at him (exactly as he did Classic Juggs) whenever he needs to keep space against Hulk?
Nimrod has been shown to (on panel) fly over his opponents, scan them for weaknesses, and attack from the air; combined with the other numerous things Nimrod can do, how can Hulk engage Nimrod physically if Nimrod does not wish it?
Hulk has smashed through force fields, Hulk has gingerly made his merry way through energy blasts, Hulk has caught up to fliers...nobody is arguing that Nimrod is just going to stand there, I don't know why that assertion is being made.
There's no ability of Nimrod's being mentioned that Hulk hasn't already raged through. The only thing that gives Nimrod any kind of edge is his ability to adapt, and I do think that would give him a win in time. First fall goes in favor of Hulk, though.
Originally posted by GroggyGrunt
Hulk has smashed through force fields, Hulk has gingerly made his merry way through energy blasts, Hulk has caught up to fliers...nobody is arguing that Nimrod is just going to stand there, I don't know why that assertion is being made.There's no ability of Nimrod's being mentioned that Hulk hasn't already raged through. The only thing that gives Nimrod any kind of edge is his ability to adapt, and I do think that would give him a win in time. First fall goes in favor of Hulk, though.
There is no PIS in a forum fight and I fail to see how Hulk will "rage" though being levitated...
Nor can I see how Hulk (without PIS being a factor) physically engage a flying Nimrod; Nimrod can easily calculate Hulks speed, trajectory, and react accordingly...
Nimrod has done just that several times on panel already...
Hulk is too one dimensional to beat Nimrod; IMHO...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
There is no PIS in a forum fight and I fail to see how Hulk will "rage" though being levitated...Nor can I see how Hulk (without PIS being a factor) physically engage a flying Nimrod; Nimrod can easily calculate Hulks speed, trajectory, and react accordingly...
Nimrod has done just that several times on panel already...
Hulk is too one dimensional to beat Nimrod; IMHO...
He done that against Rogue in fact when he was fighting the Uncanny X-Men plus members of the Hellfire club.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Again though the thing is is that for that to be possible Nimrod would have to stand in front of Hulk saying "Hit me".I just don't think Nimrod is silly enough to sit around.
If Hulk did that he'd get a bad case of the s**ts.
All jokes aside I agree with what Stoic said.
Yes Stoic is right, Nimrod might be able to tamper with Hulks radiation but it would need somewhere to transfer it to, and yes he will eventually reform when destroyed but it's still technically a loss.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Not really all it would need is Hulk to get his hands on Nimrod which would happen.Yes Stoic is right, Nimrod might be able to tamper with Hulks radiation but it would need somewhere to transfer it to, and yes he will eventually reform when destroyed but it's still technically a loss.
Don't get me wrong, while I think Hulk will certainly get in a left hook here and there. He isn't going to land every hit.
Nimrod has a lot going for him. He has impressive striking power. Strong adaptation. His energy blasts are strong. He could levitate Hulk after temporarily disabling his nerves and then smash him into the ground repeatedly.
And as it's a industrialized area Nimrod can take all of the metal from buildings etc and ram it it into him.
Nimrods ability to adapt and suppress parts of Hulk plays a huge part in this battle. Nimrod is like a supercomputer, he is constantly calculating combat parameters of his enemies analyzing how they fight. What speed they move at.
Savage Hulk while very strong and beastly in his own right. Just lacks that extra oomph to get the majority over Nimrod in my opinion.
When Hulk does get him and say he does his thing where he knocks his target from the ground who's to say Nimrod doesn't emit a shockwave to knock Hulk back?
Thunderclap, leap and rip the shit apart. Savage Hulk's simple but effective means for destroying Nimrod.
Not even high heralds can withstand Savage Hulk's ThunderClap. He's felled Thor and others with it. So Nimrod isn't dodging or tanking that.
Then there's Hulk's "madder, stronger" thing, whereby he rips any shit apart as his rage rises. Happened to Mad Thinker's latest creation, happened to many many creatures in the past.
Hell, Savage Hulk completely destroyed Galaxy Master once he got really angry. Nimrod isn't going to survive an angry Savage Hulk.
Then there is Savage Hulk's unerring accuracy and phenomenal speed with his leaps and grabs. His perceptions and his reflexes are fast enough for him to grab a speeding QuickSilver, his leaps are fast and accurate enough to catch a soaring Silver Surfer, to anticipate and tag Jack Of Hearts and many many other heralds.
People aren't arguing against Hulk as Marvel depict him, but as KMC Hulk-haters wish he was. A slow, lumbering, 2D "brick", with modest strength (oh he's not that strong, not strong enough to rip open xxxx) and no battle intelligence.
Marvel depict a force of nature who is always fighting smart, uses his environment with intelligence and senses his opponent's weaknesses and/or strategic missteps and pounces on them immediately. A Hulk who is strong enough to instantly negate attacks from heralds and whose strength and durability increases exponentially as the battle goes on.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
There is no PIS in a forum fight and I fail to see how Hulk will "rage" though being levitated...Nor can I see how Hulk (without PIS being a factor) physically engage a flying Nimrod; Nimrod can easily calculate Hulks speed, trajectory, and react accordingly...
Nimrod has done just that several times on panel already...
Hulk is too one dimensional to beat Nimrod; IMHO...
So, with no PIS we're saying all telekinetics > Hulk? Hulk is, by consistent portrayal, illogically strong. Yeah, he could probably rage out of a telekinetic bubble (unless there is a clearly defined explanation of what "levitating" something means that eschews the definition I'm using).
Calculating speed and trajectory =/= win. At that point you're arguing the minute details of the battle, which I'm far too lazy to do.
Like I said, I think Nimrod would get the win eventually. But not first.
Originally posted by janus77
Thunderclap, leap and rip the shit apart. Savage Hulk's simple but effective means for destroying Nimrod.Not even high heralds can withstand Savage Hulk's ThunderClap. He's felled Thor and others with it. So Nimrod isn't dodging or tanking that.
Then there's Hulk's "madder, stronger" thing, whereby he rips any shit apart as his rage rises. Happened to Mad Thinker's latest creation, happened to many many creatures in the past.
Hell, Savage Hulk completely destroyed Galaxy Master once he got really angry. Nimrod isn't going to survive an angry Savage Hulk.
Then there is Savage Hulk's unerring accuracy and phenomenal speed with his leaps and grabs. His perceptions and his reflexes are fast enough for him to grab a speeding QuickSilver, his leaps are fast and accurate enough to catch a soaring Silver Surfer, to anticipate and tag Jack Of Hearts and many many other heralds.
People aren't arguing against Hulk as Marvel depict him, but as KMC Hulk-haters wish he was. A slow, lumbering, 2D "brick", with modest strength (oh he's not that strong, not strong enough to rip open xxxx) and no battle intelligence.
Marvel depict a force of nature who is always fighting smart, uses his environment with intelligence and senses his opponent's weaknesses and/or strategic missteps and pounces on them immediately. A Hulk who is strong enough to instantly negate attacks from heralds and whose strength and durability increases exponentially as the battle goes on.
I'm not arguing him as you mentioned sitting there like a stone I have said he will get hits in but Nimrod will either regenerate or he will activate forcefields that not even Wolverines Claws could penetrate.
This will sound like I am being stupid when I say this but Nimrod wins purely for his abilities. He's probably not as strong as a heavily enraged Savage Hulk once he gets going. But he's strong enough as stated by Juggernaut to make him say he thought only the Hulk could pull such a stunt. So if Nimrod disabled Hulk's gamma build up for a period of time thereby preventing him from gaining strength. Or he stuns Hulk with a blast like he used on Juggernaut and he disables Hulks movement, Nimrod then has an opportunity to move in for the kill.
The fight with Juggernaut is a measuring stick of how well he could do. I don't think Hulk has this in the bag if Nimrod is out to kill Hulk.
Nimrod is one of them enemies that just has certain characters numbers.
I disagree entirely with the idea that Nimrod could somehow shut off or drain Savage Hulk's gamma.
For one thing, Hulk's body houses the conduit through which Hulk gets the overwhelming majority of his gamma, external/environmental gamma adds to that but it is overwhelmingly internally based. Nothing to cut him off from, basically.
As for draining his reserves, only when he's calm and for as long as he remains calm. And even then, only Surfer's managed that approach against an angry Hulk (iirc - I think Arch'meddon did too).
Hulk's agility is far and away superior to Juggernaut, Nimrod simply won't have any option but to physically tussle with Hulk - just read his fights to see how often Hulk is the one overwhelming his opponent with speed, rather than the other way around - and as for strength, Juggernaut's statement is not in anyway a measure of how hard Hulk hits, as Savage Hulk (like other iterations) can instantly increase his output exponentially.
Your use of Juggernaut as stand-in for Hulk is not sound, it's like using Norman Osborn as a stand-in for Iron Man. In the former, you've reduced it down to two "bricks", in the latter case we have two "brains". Nobody would see this as a valid approach, if they know anything of the history of Norman and Stark.
Similarly with Juggernaut and Hulk, one is just a magically enchanted slow, deliberate and limited force with extreme levels of endurance. He punches, rushes and kicks, but mostly he reacts and leans on his enchanted invulnerability to win him most fights. He's easily bfr'd and he rarely uses his brains at all (not that he has much).
The other is an even stronger, far far far faster, tactical and highly battle smart fighter who often uses his smarts to take down opponents and who constantly adapts his approach to get the most effect out of his physical qualities.
Hulk is proactive, when he decides to fight, he uses the environment, weaknesses in his opponent, his incredible speed and accuracy (hit any target with Bullseye-like accuracy) and Banner's super-genius calculating brain to work out the most effective attacks, everytime.
Originally posted by janus77
I disagree entirely with the idea that Nimrod could somehow shut off or drain Savage Hulk's gamma.For one thing, Hulk's body houses the conduit through which Hulk gets the overwhelming majority of his gamma, external/environmental gamma adds to that but it is overwhelmingly internally based. Nothing to cut him off from, basically.
As for draining his reserves, only when he's calm and for as long as he remains calm. And even then, only Surfer's managed that approach against an angry Hulk (iirc - I think Arch'meddon did too).
Hulk's agility is far and away superior to Juggernaut, Nimrod simply won't have any option but to physically tussle with Hulk - just read his fights to see how often Hulk is the one overwhelming his opponent with speed, rather than the other way around - and as for strength, Juggernaut's statement is not in anyway a measure of how hard Hulk hits, as Savage Hulk (like other iterations) can instantly increase his output exponentially.
Your use of Juggernaut as stand-in for Hulk is not sound, it's like using Norman Osborn as a stand-in for Iron Man. In the former, you've reduced it down to two "bricks", in the latter case we have two "brains". Nobody would see this as a valid approach, if they know anything of the history of Norman and Stark.
Similarly with Juggernaut and Hulk, one is just a magically enchanted slow, deliberate and limited force with extreme levels of endurance. He punches, rushes and kicks, but mostly he reacts and leans on his enchanted invulnerability to win him most fights. He's easily bfr'd and he rarely uses his brains at all (not that he has much).
The other is an even stronger, far far far faster, tactical and highly battle smart fighter who often uses his smarts to take down opponents and who constantly adapts his approach to get the most effect out of his physical qualities.
Hulk is proactive, when he decides to fight, he uses the environment, weaknesses in his opponent, his incredible speed and accuracy (hit any target with Bullseye-like accuracy) and Banner's super-genius calculating brain to work out the most effective attacks, everytime.
Note I didn't say he could drain his gamma in any way, I said that he could temporarily disable his gamma building up. I think not doing so has confused you to what I really think, apologies for that. Didn't mean to mislead.
Who is to say Nimrod couldn't disable his gamma ability which gives him the strength? Nimrod hasn't shown that he cant breach a certain metal as such. He has been able to disable the nerves inside Juggernauts body so I don't see why he wouldn't be able to scan the Hulks body and disable his gamma generation temporarily.
When I mentioned the Juggernaut fight was a measuring stick I meant from Nimrods display of his ability not to say that because Nimrod defeated Juggs he could beat Hulk. I was just saying what he displayed in that fight helps him in this fight if he were to use the same tactics.
Yeah true. Juggernaut is more of a brute so he wouldn't be as an intelligent fighter so I will admit you are correct there.
Of course Bruce is a smart and intelligent fighter but so is Nimrod and with his extreme analytical and adaptational abilities this assists him greatly.
Sure Banner will use the environment to his advantage and his brain again I am in 100% agreeance with you. But again I reiterate Nimrod can and will as well. So in this case I don't think Hulk is going to be able to utilize his intelligence with someone as clever as Nimrod is.
