Havok+Cyclops vs Grey Hulk+Abomination

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why can't it be used here? He picked a rock up, and Havok shot him. Carver, your argument is silly. An analogy for you:

Scenario 1
Character A picks a rock up. Character B shoots him with a gun.

Scenario 2
Character A does a little dance. Character B.....what, is now unable to shoot him with his gun?

IOW, the Summers Brothers STOMP here. Looks like someone didn't know a thing about Havok.

Good thread, though.

There isn't rocks/boulders on the battlefield. Hulk would most likely punch him in the face. Nice scans though.

Originally posted by carver9
There isn't rocks/boulders on the battlefield. Hulk would most likely punch him in the face. Nice scans though.

Haha. Professor Hulk tried that. Was stopped in his tracks. And was powering Havok up as he did so.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Haha. Professor Hulk tried that. Was stopped in his tracks. And was powering Havok up as he did so.

Did Professor Hulk lose the fight?

Originally posted by carver9
Did Professor Hulk lose the fight?

Havok got an upgrade since then. Also, is Prof Hulk > or < Fixit/Abom? Not to mention, he will have TWO sources to power up from this time.

So, three points for you to counter.

1. Stabilised powers
2. Professor Hulk being at a different level to Abom/Fixit
3. HAvok being more powerful here, as he can absorb from two sources. If your answer to point #2 is that Prof Hulk > Abom/Fixit, then you lose, as it makes your question useless. If your answer to point #2 is that Prof Hulk < Abom/Fixit, then you lose, as Havok will now be able to draw on power from two more powerful sources.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Havok got an upgrade since then. Also, is Prof Hulk > or < Fixit/Abom? Not to mention, he will have TWO sources to power up from this time.

So, three points for you to counter.

1. Stabilised powers
2. Professor Hulk being at a different level to Abom/Fixit
3. HAvok being more powerful here, as he can absorb from two sources. If your answer to point #2 is that Prof Hulk > Abom/Fixit, then you lose, as it makes your question useless. If your answer to point #2 is that Prof Hulk < Abom/Fixit, then you lose, as Havok will now be able to draw on power from two more powerful sources.

Abomination is as powerful though and if he didn't take out a holding back Professor Hulk (and he didn't) then he isn't taking out Abomination. Him stopping Hulk or Abomination isn't a way to win this battle. He has to knock both of them out and he has not displayed that type of power. Cyclops is a non factor. While Havok attention is fighting Fixit or Abomination, the other could grab him from behind and do whatever they choose. He isn't fighting both at the same time and I want you to provide proof that he could withstand a punch or a head squeeze from either.

If it wasn't for you Professor, the Hulk would have hammer us all (look who is in this scan)...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20067771/Savage_Hulk_004-018.jpg.html

This was a recent depiction of the Hulk and Havok. Also, Havok and Abomination met recently and the Xmen couldn't do anything to Abomination...Hulk was the key at bringing him down and again, this is recent depiction.

Originally posted by carver9
Good fight.

Lol. SO I see you haven't countered my points.

There isn't only one gamma being on the battlefield here. There are two. One of who is just as powerful as Prof Hulk, by your own admission.

Both of whom will amp Havok.

WHY DOES HE HAVE TO KNOCK THEM OUT? He's not tiring. They are amping him. Not to mention, he can send a bolt at their heads like he did against Hulk. They will be at his mercy, unable to move, and as they struggle, they will be amping him.

Lol. I have provided two instances of Havok alone taking out Hulk. One of whom is more powerful (Savage). You laughably brought up Fixit being a tactical fighter - guess who Havok has on his team?

Abom/Hulk are outclassed here.

I have provided proof, directly related, of Havok putting a gamma powered being down. You haven't provided anything.

Please provide scans of Abom/Fixit being able to stand up to Havok and a tactical genius like Cyclops?

Good scans. Thanks for showcasing them. Shows how Cyclops ISN'T a nonfactor, as he pressure points Abom and Fixit.

👆

Originally posted by carver9
If it wasn't for you Professor, the Hulk would have hammer us all (look who is in this scan)...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20067771/Savage_Hulk_004-018.jpg.html

This was a recent depiction of the Hulk and Havok. Also, Havok and Abomination met recently and the Xmen couldn't do anything to Abomination...Hulk was the key at bringing him down and again, this is recent depiction.

Oooh yes, really recent. Unfortunately for you, Havok got upgraded since then. And his powers stabilised.

You really don't understand the concept of timelines, do you?

But as I said, Cyclops is able to use pressure point attacks. Good scans 👆

Cyclops soloes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. SO I see you haven't countered my points.

There isn't only one gamma being on the battlefield here. There are two. One of who is just as powerful as Prof Hulk, by your own admission.

Both of whom will amp Havok.

WHY DOES HE HAVE TO KNOCK THEM OUT? He's not tiring. They are amping him. Not to mention, he can send a bolt at their heads like he did against Hulk. They will be at his mercy, unable to move, and as they struggle, they will be amping him.

Lol. I have provided two instances of Havok alone taking out Hulk. One of whom is more powerful (Savage). You laughably brought up Fixit being a tactical fighter - guess who Havok has on his team?

Abom/Hulk are outclassed here.

I have provided proof, directly related, of Havok putting a gamma powered being down. You haven't provided anything.

Please provide scans of Abom/Fixit being able to stand up to Havok and a tactical genius like Cyclops?

Cyclops gets taken out immediately.

You really haven't provided proof of anything that I didn't already know. Yes, Hulk powers somewhat amps Havok. Yes, he slowed Hulk down but he couldn't stop him which is what you are missing. He is fighting two Hulk's here. Him slowing down one doesn't constitute as a win. Do you know what a win is Dark? Him slowing down Fixit will give room for Abomination to get the grab on him. Him slowing down Abomination would give room for Fixit to grab him. What's so hard to grasp here.

Even with your other tactic of mind attack. It wasn't instantaneous. Which again leaves room for the other to attack. Are you implying he will do this to two Hulks? What if either Hulk or Abomination thunderclap, can Havok withstand that? The point is, either of the two can take him out easily, the same can't be said for Havok, unless again, you have proof and slowing Hulk down isn't it. Blasting him isn't it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oooh yes, really recent. Unfortunately for you, Havok got upgraded since then. And his powers stabilised.

You really don't understand the concept of timelines, do you?

But as I said, Cyclops is able to use pressure point attacks. Good scans 👆

Cyclops soloes.

Jean showed him where to attack...didn't do it on his own and it literally did nothing. Great scan.

Do you have scans of the power up?

He didn't slow him down doe, he stopped him and forced him to his knees....unable to move.

Tbh, any further posts from you would just be trolling.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He didn't slow him down doe, he stopped him and forced him to his knees....unable to move.

Tbh, any further posts from you would just be trolling.....

Where was he on his knees in the scan, are you talking about your first scan? And again, even if that was the case, you are failing to realize that, he did this to one Hulk which leaves room for the other to attack. Again, why can't you grasp this?

Originally posted by carver9
Jean showed him where to attack...didn't do it on his own and it literally did nothing. Great scan.

You...must not know what 'literally' means. Jesus wept.

Do you have scans of the power up?

I never said powered up. I said upgraded. As in, Cyclops knows more pressure point attacks. Havok's powers are stable. That kinda thing.

Originally posted by carver9
Where was he on his knees in the scan, are you talking about your first scan? And again, even if that was the case, you are failing to realize that, he did this to one Hulk which leaves room for the other to attack. Again, why can't you grasp this?

That Havok is now twice as powerful? I can. You can't. You're acting like he needs to focus his attention, when all he needs to do is point.

We are done. Agree to disagree. Even though he amped off of Professor Hulk power, he still couldn't stop him and didn't stop him. He koed himself during the process.

Originally posted by krisblaze
DS, in case you're in danger of buying into Carter's nonsense Havok's powers are no longer a threat to his health.

They haven't been in a long time, since his abilities stabilized post Earth X.

Just leaving this here.

He's not KOing himself.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Anyway, here's another. Grey and Abom would be powering Havok up:

But would they overload Havok, they are so powahfull!! Grey could tank Tigra scratching him!!

Well, he was able to absorb a black hole's worth, whilst it was simultanesously weakening him:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108735/2890027-havok_zorn.jpg

Oh, and absorbed a Star's worth. Enough to make even Vulcan, one of THE top energy manipulators in Marvel, burn:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108735/2890073-1308997-havok_vulcan3_super.jpg

Lol. But by all means, somehow, that energy blast from Silver Iron Man and Mockinbird's sticks are more powerful than him.

And that's not even taking into account Cyclops.

What happens after this scan doesn't it continue into another book? Hulk on his knees but doesn't quit.

Originally posted by golem370
What happens after this scan doesn't it continue into another book? Hulk on his knees but doesn't quit.

That....wasn't the point lol.

Hulk is not in this thread.

I thought your point was he could beat the Hulk? Did he beat the Hulk or not?