Raskta Lsu vs Kit Fisto

You think the BM was that much of a boost?

The text makes it pretty clear it was.

"It had been many years since Farfalla had fought while empowered by Worror's battle meditation. He had forgotten how much quicker and stronger the Ithorian's amazing talent made him feel. The Force flowed through him with greater power, filling him with its might."

"Then he, too, leapt to the side to avoid being crushed, surviving only because his reflexes were heightened by Worror's power."

"Fueled by Worror's battle meditation, she switched styles seamlessly, and her arms and blades became a blur as they carved figure eights in the air to catch and absorb the bolts of dark side energy."

With it, she was coming across as a lot faster than Bane

Not really. She landed as many blows as she did not because she was much faster, but because Bane had no need to defend those areas of his body due to the protection provided by the Orbalisks.

(who is possessive of perhaps the best speed feats we've ever seen in the mythos).

Heh, nah.

I wouldn't assume that she's anything but top tier in speed while unamped,

Even when amped, Sidious is certainly faster than she.

and skill wise I'd say she probably has them all beat.

Not much suggests this. She's probably close, though.

My view is Raskta is very much in the higher tiers of saber combat *skill* wise (I mean, her training and experience has been 100% how to accomplish things with superior bladework), but the lack of force means she's overall lower than she could be. The BM compensates for that some.

Originally posted by appletonia
He was head and shoulders above everyone else (aside from Bane) in a group that was on the same level as the BOD's own masters, and was thought by many to be a candidate for the Sith'ari (and by extension is implied to have had maybe the greatest potential in the Order before Bane came along). Blitzing him, at a time when Bane was nowhere near as powerful as he was by the end of POD, let alone ROT, is an incredible speed feat.

It's a reasonably good one, but the masters at the time were noted to be lacking.

And there's faster sith lords who've blitzed multiple masters at the same time, so while it's good, it's not one of 'the best speed feats we've seen in the saga.'

Originally posted by NewGuy01
[B]The text makes it pretty clear it was.

"It had been many years since Farfalla had fought while empowered by Worror's battle meditation. He had forgotten how much quicker and stronger the Ithorian's amazing talent made him feel. The Force flowed through him with greater power, filling him with its might."

"Then he, too, leapt to the side to avoid being crushed, surviving only because his reflexes were heightened by Worror's power."

"Fueled by Worror's battle meditation, she switched styles seamlessly, and her arms and blades became a blur as they carved figure eights in the air to catch and absorb the bolts of dark side energy."

A significant boost for sure but that significant?

Not really. She landed as many blows as she did not because she was much faster, but because Bane had no need to defend those areas of his body due to the protection provided by the Orbalisks.

I was referring to this, which is from Farfalla's perspective:

"She seemed to be everywhere at once-in front of Bane, beside him, behind him, circling low, leaping to come in high, deflecting his blade with one of her own then stabbing three quick times in succession at his eyes. The big man's head ducked and bobbed, twisting and turning to avoid her blows as he tried to mount a counteroffensive."

Seeing as from Farfalla's perspective she was seemingly surrounding him from all angles, it's clear she was easily the faster of the two.

Heh, nah.

Nothing comes close to the rain feat bro, click the link I provided.

Even when amped, Sidious is certainly faster than she.

Seeing as Sidious is not as fast as Orbalisk Bane, he's isn't close to amped Raskta.

Not much suggests this. She's probably close, though.

I'm too lazy to post them now, but all of the complimentary quotes from ROT more than suggests it.

Originally posted by Q99
[B]My view is Raskta is very much in the higher tiers of saber combat *skill* wise (I mean, her training and experience has been 100% how to accomplish things with superior bladework), but the lack of force means she's overall lower than she could be. The BM compensates for that some.

The only thing you text indicates she was lacking Force wise was a focus on anything that wasn't related to lightsaber combat (though this has already been addressed in this thread), but not Force strength itself and certainly not Force abilities that assist lightsaber combat.

It's a reasonably good one, but the masters at the time were noted to be lacking.

Refer to the other thread where we discussed this Q. 😛

And there's faster sith lords who've blitzed multiple masters at the same time, so while it's good, it's not one of 'the best speed feats we've seen in the saga.'

I was referring to the rain feat. The Sirak feat, while not the best, was performed by a version of Bane that was basically the Jedi Youngling to his ROT incarnation's Jedi Grandmaster. The increase in power from his fight with Sirak to his fight with Raskta and Co was absolutely huge.

Originally posted by appletonia
Seeing as Sidious is not as fast as Orbalisk Bane, he's isn't close to amped Raskta.

😂

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
An entire country just went into civil war after reading this post, trying to comprehend if you are either trolling or just ****ed up.

whyyoualwaysbetrollingbro?

Calling Cade a noob is wore than anything Ant has ever said.

Originally posted by appletonia
Seeing as Sidious is not as fast as Orbalisk Bane, he's isn't close to amped Raskta.

Are you saying. Darth Bane > Raskta > Sidious in speed? just explain that please.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm trying to comprehend if you are either trolling or just ****ed up.

Same here.

Originally posted by appletonia
[B]
Refer to the other thread where we discussed this Q. 😛

Yea, the general conclusion here is that the era was lacking in force training.

Indeed, it was part of the thematic emphasis of the stories of the era.

Now, that doesn't affect skill in sheer bladework, but the difference is illustrated in practice against the likes of Bane.

Heck, Farfalla is not all that impressive in the force yet he's a famous master at the time who did specialize in it.

I think you need to remember that just because you had an opinion in another thread, it doesn't mean anything decisive.

Also, it's much more specific and helpful if you say specifically what you mean. I mean, even referring to another thread, a lot of points get brought up in a thread. Heck, I'm just assuming I'm remembering the right one because it's not like you're mentioning either title nor timeframe.

Originally posted by Q99
I'd think Raskta. Seems to me like she'd have the saber edge, and Fisto isn't a heavy user of the force.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
A small child just killed himself reading this post.

No need for that imagery, thanks.

LOL