Of course. Americans are placing their CIA prisons here, and we are blamed, nazies builded their concentration camps on the grounds of present Poland and we are blamed, now some weird formation will be said to be formed here and we get bombed 😬 As if we had too little issues on our own.
Why aren't Americans keeping their stuff at their own country and Chinese at theirs and Russian at theirs?
And if anything bad happens will gona be left on our own as has been always 😬
Originally posted by Clovie
Of course. Americans are placing their CIA prisons here, and we are blamed, nazies builded their concentration camps on the grounds of present Poland and we are blamed, now some weird formation will be said to be formed here and we get bombed 😬 As if we had too little issues on our own.
Why aren't Americans keeping their stuff at their own country and Chinese at theirs and Russian at theirs?And if anything bad happens will gona be left on our own as has been always 😬
I don't think anyone in their right mind would blame Poland for what the Nazis did. As for these CIA prisons in Eastern Europe: I keep hearing about them, but has anyone actually seen or pinpointed one?
Yeah, in a perfect world everybody would just keep to their own turf, but it's not a perfect world. You want protection from Russia, correct? Well, you're going to have to accept the fact that military bases and formations are needed for that.
No, I don't think that Poland would be abandoned in a case of attack. That would be a massive blow to NATO and would basically be admission of defeat to Russia. Either way, I don't think this will ever happen, but it's better to have military bases and formations and not need them than need them and have them.
but there is a lot of people not in their right mind and with hardly any history knowledge.. and they assume that if the museum of the camp is here, so the camp was also ours 😬
and as for prisons, there was one here, and one guy who was talking about it died in a supossed suicide 😬
and as for those kind of guarancees... before WWII we also had them, and somehow no one did a thing untill they didn't get attacked 😬 and aftet the war we were left under soviets 😬 so yeah...
Originally posted by Clovie
but there is a lot of people not in their right mind and with hardly any history knowledge.. and they assume that if the museum of the camp is here, so the camp was also ours 😬
and as for prisons, there was one here, and one guy who was talking about it died in a supossed suicide 😬and as for those kind of guarancees... before WWII we also had them, and somehow no one did a thing untill they didn't get attacked 😬 and aftet the war we were left under soviets 😬 so yeah...
We had people over here talking about CIA prisons as well, but nobody has so far been able to provide any kind of conclusive proof nor has there been any "suicides".
The situation before the beginning of WW2 and the situation now is quite different. There was no NATO or EU back then, not to mention the degree of integration that we have today. The USA was not very involved in European affairs back then either. There were no nuclear weapons. The game has changed drastically since WW2.
Originally posted by Robtardyep 🙁
Easy, seems like someone needs a hug or something.
Originally posted by ArtificialGloryAnd where you are? As far as I'm concerned they admitted having those prison here. and we have to pay some fee cause of that, no idea why though 😖
We had people over here talking about CIA prisons as well, but nobody has so far been able to provide any kind of conclusive proof nor has there been any "suicides".The situation before the beginning of WW2 and the situation now is quite different. There was no NATO or EU back then, not to mention the degree of integration that we have today. The USA was not very involved in European affairs back then either. There were no nuclear weapons. The game has changed drastically since WW2.
I guess.. maybe.. but what happened to criam looks a bit like what happened to austria in 1936.
Originally posted by Clovie
yep 🙁And where you are? As far as I'm concerned they admitted having those prison here. and we have to pay some fee cause of that, no idea why though 😖
I guess.. maybe.. but what happened to criam looks a bit like what happened to austria in 1936.
Lithuania. I've never heard of anyone admitting to having CIA prisons(not that I think it's impossible). Do you have a link to a source of some kind?
Yes, it's alarming what happened and is still happening in Ukraine, but Ukraine is not a part of NATO or the EU.
Originally posted by Clovie
sorry, it's in polish
http://www.polityka.pl/tygodnikpolityka/kraj/1587189,1,wiezienia-cia-w-polsce-trybunal-orzekl-ze-mamy-zaplacic-100-i-130-tys-euro.readenglish wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_site
Thanks. I've always had the suspicion this might be the case.
Originally posted by Clovie
Of course. Americans are placing their CIA prisons here, and we are blamed, nazies builded their concentration camps on the grounds of present Poland and we are blamed, now some weird formation will be said to be formed here and we get bombed 😬 As if we had too little issues on our own.
Why aren't Americans keeping their stuff at their own country and Chinese at theirs and Russian at theirs?And if anything bad happens will gona be left on our own as has been always 😬
Whether this actually reflects the will of the Polish people is another matter.
While you have reason to be concerned by this, I think in the event that Poland gets attacked it won't matter whether there's a base of any kind near your town or not--if you live near the border you'll be in danger.
Originally posted by Clovie
100km 😬 and our gov does what's good for them and not whats good for people 😬 like giving themselves extra premias and more taxes for us 😬
Most politicians are bastards like that. Still, trying to secure their country as much as possible against Putin's misguided ambitions is probably for everyone's best.
I guess, but I'm not sure if what they are saying is truth... Our politicians are saying various things and later pretend they didn't say it... and they used to be on a good terms with russian gov, just after maydan.. when they went there and started saying crap or even more getting selfies.. that was too much 😬
Originally posted by Clovie
I guess, but I'm not sure if what they are saying is truth... Our politicians are saying various things and later pretend they didn't say it... and they used to be on a good terms with russian gov, just after maydan.. when they went there and started saying crap or even more getting selfies.. that was too much 😬
Once again, that's what many politicians do. Even if they were friendly with Russia in the past, they can no longer afford that. I think even slimy politicians had to at that point admit that Russia could very well represent a real threat to Poland.
Funny thing. Some of our politicians(including our parliament speaker) also went on a trip to Maidan that was not authorized by the President, the parliament, the prime minister, or anyone else for that matter. They went there to pretend like they're some kind of important freedom fighters, took selfies, and just made things awkward for everyone involved. Clowns.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29401840
Russia has an interesting idea of diplomacy.
"Yeah we're ready to start talking and being best buds again, as soon as y'all stop being poopfaces."
It's like the USA and EU adding additional sanctions on the same day that the ceasefire went into effect. Makes it obvious that neither side is interested in dialogue but in the other's capitulation.
Originally posted by ArtificialGloryYep, same as ours.. plus there went offical gov delegation, with foreign affairs minsiter 😖
Once again, that's what many politicians do. Even if they were friendly with Russia in the past, they can no longer afford that. I think even slimy politicians had to at that point admit that Russia could very well represent a real threat to Poland.Funny thing. Some of our politicians(including our parliament speaker) also went on a trip to Maidan that was not authorized by the President, the parliament, the prime minister, or anyone else for that matter. They went there to pretend like they're some kind of important freedom fighters, took selfies, and just made things awkward for everyone involved. Clowns.
Again can't find anything in english. Our TV said that Spiegel (German journal) said that NATA don't have enough army to keep all it's participants safe. TA DA! told ya that they won't help us if something happens!!
Originally posted by Clovie
Yep, same as ours.. plus there went offical gov delegation, with foreign affairs minsiter 😖Again can't find anything in english. Our TV said that Spiegel (German journal) said that NATA don't have enough army to keep all it's participants safe. TA DA! told ya that they won't help us if something happens!!
It's unfortunate that you can't find it in English because I'm pretty sure there must be some kind of a misconception. NATO has a larger and a more technologically advanced military than Russia and that's what really matters. It's not about protecting every centimeter of every NATO member nation's soil, it's more about letting any potential enemies know that NATO will respond with full force to any military aggression on their part. And seeing how NATO's military spending constitutes about 70% of the whole world's military spending, the response would be very devastating indeed.