Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
During Luke's exile in FOTJ a few Jedi Masters had a brief battle because of a heated discussion(because of something Daala did, I think) where Kyp pinned Corran to the wall via TK. I think it was Kyp, Kenth, and Corran involved. Keep in mind, at this point(while Luke was exiled), Kyp was the strongest Jedi in the order force-wise, so it's not like Corran was being pinned by some chump.To say that Corran doesn't suffer from a disadvantage because of his lack of tk is something I have to disagree with. He does; he can still be moved, just like every other character, and he lacks the ability to be the initiator via the same tactic. It is a option he doesn't have. Corran compensates for it well by being a skilled combatant, because of his bloodline's ability to redirect energy, his dual-phase lightsaber and powerful force illusions.
I think Corran wins this fight, but let's not ignore reality just to make him look better.
Correction. Kyp only Force pushed Corran with TK, Corran just staggered back, which was a gesture of huge disrespect considering that Corran couldn't answer back. It was Kenth Hamner who retaliated and pinned Kyp to the wall with TK as response.
But I get your point. It is, indeed, disadvantage that he can't initiate. On the other hand, if he absorbs enough Force, he can use TK. His ancestor after absorbing lightsaber energy ragdolled and killed his opponent with TK, for example.
1.) Extremely different circumstances
2.) Sidious was intentionally prolonging the duel on Mandalore, and in this particular case was outright playing with his food.
1. Filoni outright said that Opress did better than trio.
2. Assumptions/excuses don't help.
Bottom line you rely on Saesee Tiin's accolades but they don't mean much. There were thousands Jedi. He might be in top 50 and that would qualify him as among the best order ever produced and still be miles behind the other 49.
What actual combat feats he has? How many Sith did he fight? As far as I know he has no real life experience of fighting with Force users. No wonder he was utterly useless against Sidious.
Corran Horn on the other hand defeated several cortosis armored Jensaraii in I, Jedi.
Was unarmed combat expert, which he incorporated into his lightsaber combat, so he could easily surprise regular fencer with a punch or kick, which he demonstrated on Jensarai and even Luke himself:
"I closed with him and arced a cut in toward his left shoulder. He came up and blocked it high left, picking it up in the outer ring of defense. I came down and around in a sweeping blow at his left leg, but he brought his lightsaber down and batted mine aside easily. The spark of light exploding from the contact of the two blades washed shadows across Luke's disinterested expression.
About what I expected. Shifting my lightsaber to my right hand. I closed quickly and snapped the blade down in an over-hand cut. I picked up my speed on the cut, forcing Luke to block me in the middle ring. Continuing my forward movement, I pushed in with my right hand, then slid the lightsaber's hilt down. I hammered his breastbone with the lightsaber's hilt, then hooked my right leg behind Luke's right leg and dumped him to the ground.
I backed off as his blade's green light illuminated the surprise on his face. I let an edge drift into my voice. "If you aren't going to respect me, at least respect what Kam has taught me."
Luke slowly climbed back to his feet, but did so with his lightsaber always remaining between the two of us. I kept my blade angled across my body, with my hands held near my right hip and the blade's tip hovering near my left shoulder. I stamp-feinted with my right foot, as if I were beginning a charge, and Luke withdrew a half-step.
He's got to focus. I waited for him to set himself, then I came in on a circular approach that worked me toward his left. I slashed twice, crosswise, forehand and back, to keep him away from me, then drove straight toward him. I lunged with the blade. Luke's green lightsaber came around in a circular parry that carried my blade wide to my right.
His triumphant laugh died abruptly as my right foot kicked him in the gut. While he'd parried, I'd recovered from my lunge and kicked out straight into his midsection. He doubled over and fell back a couple of steps, his left hand rubbing his belly, but I gave him no chance to recover. I came on hard and fast, whipping my silver blade through an infinity loop, lashing out high and low.
Luke looked up at me and his eyes hardened.
Which is when I ran into a Force wall that bounced me back a couple of feet and set me on my heels. I tasted blood on my lips, but knew it was really coming from my nose, which hurt. I didn't think it was broken, but bumping it up against anything solid is seldom a pleasant experience.
I wiped it off on the sleeve of my green tunic, but in the half-light both it and the blood looked black. "Nice trick."
A feral grin twisted Luke's mouth. He came forward, wordlessly, moving with a fluidity I'd not seen in him before. He aimed a slash at me that would have bisected me from right shoulder to left hip. I caught a momentary flash of surprise from him because he'd expected me to block it high right, but I let it come through the outer and middle rings of defense. With a quick parry, I slid it wide of my right shoulder, then I stepped forward and slammed my right shoulder into Luke's chin. That stood him up, clicking his teeth sharply together. I drove a weak jab with my left hand into his ribs, then ducked a slash that should have trimmed my hair at roughly the level of my earlobes. Dropping into a crouch, I whipped my left leg out and scythed it through his legs, bashing his ankles together and again dropping him onto his back.
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In fact he has few moves in his baggage that would catch off guard most of his opponents. In one case he had duel against Shedao Shai, he was losing fight but still outsmarted him with unexpected move. He, also, killed a Sith by suddenly extending his lightsaber length.
Fought many lost tribe Sith in Apocalypse. At one point he was badly injured, his leg was buckling and he still killed 4 Sith, three of which he faught simultaneously.
Corran Horn showed every trait of a battle hardened and versatile warrior. What has Saesee shown?