The Team vs. The Dark God

Started by FreshestSlice3 pages

Originally posted by Sinious
Revan got easily dominated by the Emperor and Revan is around top 5 jedi material.

Encyclopedic medium said Emperor was almost killed by Revan.

On a more serious note, there are quite a few Jedi around the HoT's level, and while defeating a weakened Vitiate is a feat, it has nothing to suggest that it was because the HoT overpowered him in the Force, far from it.

The HoT does overpower him with the Force in the darkside ending tho. 😛

IMO the HoT's Force abilities were likely to be primarily defense based.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The HoT does overpower him with the Force in the darkside ending tho. 😛

He was toast before that. And I know toast when I see it.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Encyclopedic medium said Emperor was almost killed by Revan.

Not because Revan was near Vitiate's level. He got a chance to hurt him cause the Emperor underestimated him/didnt see him as a threat at first.

Originally posted by Sinious
Not because Revan was near Vitiate's level. He got a chance to hurt him cause the Emperor underestimated him/didnt see him as a threat at first.

So exactly like when the HoT fought Vitiate? You see the double standard in that statement, correct? No worse, because Vitiate wasn't weakened then.

Vitiate didn't underestimate the HoT.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate didn't underestimate the HoT.

Perhaps you have a different definition of underestimate than I do, but when someone says dozen of times that they will kill you and that you can't defeat them and then they don't and you do, that's an underestimation.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Perhaps you have a different definition of underestimate than I do, but when someone says dozen of times that they will kill you and that you can't defeat them and then they don't and you do, that's an underestimation.

Thats just typical Sith arrogance. Regardless, Vitiate was not going easy on or taking lightly the HoT, his most hated enemy.

But he did for Revan, who he is definitely trying to kill until Scourge's betrayal, because you know, why not? That usual sith arrogance is called underestimation, by the way.

Beings like Vitiate will underestimate anyone. With HoT it wasn't anything unusual but when he fought Revan, he literally treated him like a random jedi where he fought HoT properly from the beginning. HoT's placement is questionable because we don't know how much the Emperor was weakened and I obviously don't put him above Vitiate so I don't see how I am making statements with double standards here.

Originally posted by Sinious
Beings like Vitiate will underestimate anyone. With HoT it wasn't anything unusual but when he fought Revan, he literally treated him like a random jedi

Uh source? He knows who Revan is and his relative power level, and since this is said nowhere in the novel, I'm guessing you just made this up.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Uh source? He knows who Revan is and his relative power level, and since this is said nowhere in the novel, I'm guessing you just made this up.

He sends weak ass lightning bolts to him and assumes that he can deal with him without a fight as he tries to dominate Revan's mind.

Since he can normally defeat him in seconds, its not an assumption to say he didnt give his best at first in fact it was the opposite.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
But he did for Revan, who he is definitely trying to kill until Scourge's betrayal, because you know, why not? That usual sith arrogance is called underestimation, by the way.

Definitely trying to kill? Doubt it, just tried to dominate him or smack him around until he got actually mad. And no, the usual Sith arrogance is about overestimating themselves. There's absolutely nothing indicating that the Hero only managed to hurt him because he took it easy against them. The quest text even says he intends to destroy you because he can sense your power is too great to contain. The Hero won through her own immense power, as Vitiate said.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Definitely trying to kill? Doubt it, just tried to dominate him or smack him around until he got actually mad.

He wanted to kill Revan as soon as he returned to Sith space, only Nyriss spared him.

And no, the usual Sith arrogance is about overestimating themselves.

Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

There's absolutely nothing indicating that the Hero only managed to hurt him because he took it easy against them.

That's not what underestimate means.

The quest text even says he intends to destroy you because he can sense your power is too great to contain. The Hero won through her own immense power, as Vitiate said.

The Hero won because of circumstance.

The Emperor humiliated the TOR losers