Originally posted by DigiIdk what happened. I dont make mistakes like rhat when I have my computer. I probably meant to replace nutritional with nutrient but the phone messed me up when deleting the former word and it just combined them.
Are you saying your auto-correct changed the word to nutrientional?
Immortality is a very real thing. Perfect blood circulation in sprinters like Usain Bolt or Shaolin Monks engaging in extremely flexible movements (advanced, advanced Yoga) pump enough oxygen to repair entire organs! Exercise improves sleep quality and testosterone and brain function. Testosterone in and of itself increases brain function.
Meditation increases dopamine, which decreases depression and increases intelligence in and of itself, and brain connections/cognitive plasticity. Laughter in and of itself is even more beneficial than that. I'm not even going to get into the extreme benefits of oxytocin (love hormone) and the supremely extreme benefits of trace amounts of ketamine (vertigo hormone) production in the brain.
Coconut oil, kiwifruit, vitamin b12, d3, brazil nuts, fish eggs, berocca, broccoli with a perfect molecular structure, protein with a perfect molecular structure, negative calorie fruits and vegetables, farm fed ground turkey breast, ...the list is nigh-infinite.
These are all foods that can trigger cells responsible for an anti-senescence gene-expression. Furthermore, when you combine a certain type of physical activity, like the two listed above plus endurance and volume super-set, body-weight and circuit (muscle confusion) training, you get runner's high, norepinephrine, vertigo hormones, etc with these foods and improved sleep quality and non-existent stress levels; your body and mind are going to be pretty fucking amazing. Your getting ketogens because of a high monounsaturated fat to carb intake level, you're spending more calories digesting food than you get out of them yet your body is becoming increasingly sensitive to insulin all the while your CNS, muscle hypertrophy in slow-twitch for upper and core and quick-twitch for lower-body, and metabolism are basically accelerating in every capacity. Your ventricular hypertrophy and vastly improved brain function and the low-bearing strain on the heart from minimum stress from day to day, will make your body a miraculous system of longevity and immunity.
You're going to be The fucking Wolverine.
Absolutely none of these processes reverses or halts cellular senescence. You WILL age and you WILL die.
Perhaps there will be specific advances in medicine that can severely intercept and slow this process but we simply are not at that stage. Usain Bolt will and has been aging and simply will not have the capability to perform how he has been, along with Monks.
Yeah, it'll increase the probability that you will live a long life but will not stop biological aging. Also, immortality? Show me data and/or research/evidence that suggests this will make you immortal. Immortality is defined as living eternally. As in, forever.
Provide a connection. Right now, you've discussed processes that have been proven to give human beings outstanding health and attached the word "immortality" to it without a lick of evidence.
A sense of immortality has been observed in some tardigrades, hydras, and other such species but not humans. You'll have to cough something more up than talk, Oneness.
Originally posted by The RenegadeI can;
Absolutely none of these processes reverses or halts cellular senescence. You WILL age and you WILL die.Perhaps there will be specific advances in medicine that can severely intercept and slow this process but we simply are not at that stage. Usain Bolt will and has been aging and simply will not have the capability to perform how he has been, along with Monks.
Yeah, it'll increase the probability that you will live a long life but will not stop biological aging. Also, immortality? Show me data and/or research/evidence that suggests this will make you immortal. Immortality is defined as living eternally. As in, forever.
Provide a connection. Right now, you've discussed processes that have been proven to give human beings outstanding health and attached the word "immortality" to it without a lick of evidence.
A sense of immortality has been observed in some tardigrades, hydras, and other such species but not humans. You'll have to cough something more up than talk, Oneness.
It's about shutting off the aging gene (anti-senescence) before you've aged too much. Of course there's the issue that the molecules, can never replicate perfectly. The issue is that they're just too many of them.
Immortality, at least through this method, is really just hyperbole. You'll stay young for an extremely long time, perhaps you won't look in your mid-40s until you're in your late-70s, and it will be a Daniel Craig mid-40s at that. You will die, maybe it'll take...350 years.
"Rose’s natural recipe for immortality
Adopt a hunter-gatherer lifestyle after 35 to 40 if Eurasian, earlier if ancestry is less Eurasian. If younger than 30 and Eurasian, continue on a post-agricultural revolution diet (or Andrew Weil-style diet).
Use the best modern medicine
Use autologous (from your own cells) tissue repair as it becomes available in five or more years
Use next-generation pharmaceuticals in the next 10 or more years
“With this recipe, I feel, many of you could be alive, basically, indefinitely,” Rose said." -end snip
Who would have thought being effectively immortal could be so easy.
Guess the question is, why is Rose still aging himself?
Originally posted by Oneness
I can;It's about shutting off the aging gene (anti-senescence) before you've aged too much. Of course there's the issue that the molecules, can never replicate perfectly. The issue is that they're just too many of them.
Immortality, at least through this method, is really just hyperbole. You'll stay young for an extremely long time, perhaps you won't look in your mid-40s until you're in your late-70s, and it will be a Daniel Craig mid-40s at that. You will die, maybe it'll take...350 years.
No, you can't.
The first discusses how they mean "living a really long time" when they discuss biological immortality, which is partially true. Biological immortality refers to not expiring from senescence, as opposed to other factors. That means forever. Not an extra decade or two decades but rather ETERNALLY, as I requested and as you've proposed numerous times. You've proposed living eternally, which hasn't yet been achieved in humans. At all. Not even a little bit.
The second says, "Well, it's on it's way to happening but hasn't yet happened." Again, not evidence of immortality.
The third starts OFF by STATING "scientists MAY be able to make gains" in terms of promoting longer living, not ETERNAL living.
What a fantastic leap! Three hundred and fifty years? Where is this coming from? My God.
Originally posted by The RenegadeDo you not understand the definition of hyperbole?
No, you can't.The first discusses how they mean "living a really long time" when they discuss biological immortality, which is partially true. Biological immortality refers to not expiring from senescence, as opposed to other factors. That means forever. Not an extra decade or two decades but rather ETERNALLY, as I requested and as you've proposed numerous times. You've proposed living eternally, which hasn't yet been achieved in humans. At all. Not even a little bit.
The second says, "Well, it's on it's way to happening but hasn't yet happened." Again, not evidence of immortality.
The third starts OFF by STATING "scientists MAY be able to make gains" in terms of promoting longer living, not ETERNAL living.
What a fantastic leap! Three hundred and fifty years? Where is this coming from? My God.
Noah's arc.
I'm being serious though, I do believe elements of the Bible have real historical merit.
I used to be an Athiest, now I've created my own sort of psuedoscience but from my subjective experience providence occurs.every.single.time.
So perhaps I've merely become schizophrenic without my knowing it.
Originally posted by Oneness
Do you not understand the definition of hyperbole?Noah's arc.
I'm being serious though, I do believe elements of the Bible have real historical merit.
I do, except I think you're trying to escape a mistake you've made.
You discussed many times about living forever and immortality in many senses, not the "live long" hyperbolic one. Hell, JUST NOW, I asked you to give me evidence of immortality in the sense of living forever, not exclusively biological immortality. Like, I legitimately said that. You can even read it because it's still there, Oneness.
Even then, you haven't provided evidence of biological immortality (sustaining life without aging while excluding other factors that could cause death) so I'm not sure where you're going. I think you'd be best saying that there's the potential within science for human beings to live a really long time because immortality, in any sense, is simply not within sight right now.
I used to be an Athiest, now I've created my own sort of psuedoscience but from my subjective experience providence occurs.every.single.time.So perhaps I've merely become schizophrenic without my knowing it.
Originally posted by The RenegadeNo, I understand what you mean.
I do, except I think you're trying to escape a mistake you've made.You discussed many times about living forever and immortality in many senses, not the "live long" hyperbolic one. Hell, JUST NOW, I asked you to give me evidence of immortality in the sense of living forever, not exclusively biological immortality. Like, I legitimately said that. You can even read it because it's still there, Oneness.
Even then, you haven't provided evidence of biological immortality (sustaining life without aging while excluding other factors that could cause death) so I'm not sure where you're going. I think you'd be best saying that there's the potential within science for human beings to live a really long time because immortality, in any sense, is simply not within sight right now.
The issue is that certain strands can replicate perfectly for unprecedented periods of time given an almost unrealistic diet and exercise routine, and life-style in general, after 40. The only way to engage in such exercise, or life-style in general, is to be wealthy, socially adept, intelligent, and as fit as a professional athlete before you're too old to become that fit (30s is probably your cut-off point if you failed gym-class in h/s and weren't much to show for the 12 years after your graduation; pulling off a Brad Pitt physique starting from ecto-endomorph at aged 30 is next to impossible).
Extraneous circumstances, each of these things, diet, range of experience, fitness; have implications into the aforementioned biological trigger or protagonist of anti-senescence which I linked articles with abstract evidence behind their own and my theses in the matter. They all slow aging by themselves, and promote the additional hypothetical genetic trigger for the anti-aging gene which has been replicated in peer-reviewed experiments on mice...
I actually heard an engaging TED talk once on the prospect of immortality...or at least very, very long life spans relative to what we have currently. It explained what he saw as the boundaries, and the most likely paths to halting or dramatically slowing aging.
He also hypothesized, not without reason, that the first 1,000-year-old person wouldn't be born too long after the first 200-year-old person. The (simplified) reasoning being that the techniques and processes by which we'd extend life from 200 to 1000 would be the same or very similar, and it would just be a refinement of the process.
However, it had nothing to do with the New Age health babble Oneness is spouting.
The only real method for total immortality is software sophisticated enough to replicate the processes in your brain, a software that identifies itself as you, at least at first, until it surpasses your mind's physiological parameters. Either that, or substrate independence via in vito neuron to nanite conversion. Either way, what you get is something that can and probably will slaughter humanity, whether we're talking about a group of super-genius, super life-spanned humans or not.