Except he did it almost casually, wasn't even at his strongest yet and he'd be effected by the fight just as much as she was. In fact she'd hit him twice with her sabers by this point.
Furthermore we should consider his feats in TOR. Anyone who can toss around Strike Teams of that caliber isn't going to have to try against Plo Koon.
The reason why Koon is said to be comparable to Malgus on CV is that those feats from TOR are considered inconsistent, or at least showings that Malgus can only perform under exceptional circumstances. Furthermore, collectively, the strike team should be vastly above Malgus, and to my knowledge, there is no evidence that the latter improved much in power after Deceived.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Except he did it almost casually, wasn't even at his strongest yet and he'd be effected by the fight just as much as she was. In fact she'd hit him twice with her sabers by this point.Furthermore we should consider his feats in TOR. Anyone who can toss around Strike Teams of that caliber isn't going to have to try against Plo Koon.
And yes, his feat of fighting a strike team is much better example.
Malgus received an amp then beat her. After the amp he one-shot her.
Originally posted by Nargaroth
The reason why Koon is said to be comparable to Malgus on CV is that those feats from TOR are considered inconsistent, or at least showings that Malgus can only perform under exceptional circumstances.
So in other words you just dismiss his best feats? Theres nothing inconsistent with Malgus' feats nor was there any exceptional circumstance in TOR that made him perform better. In Deceived he received a permanent amp through deepening his connection to the darkside, and then spent a decade or two preparing for his ascension. But even before that I don't consider Koon comparable to him.
Originally posted by Nargaroth
Furthermore, collectively, the strike team should be vastly above Malgus, and to my knowledge, there is no evidence that the latter improved much in power after Deceived.
Do you not think that his performance against the Strike Team is evidence that he improved after Deceived?
Originally posted by Arhael
Well, I definitely wouldn't consider it a casual lightning. Aryn wouldn't feel it as more powerful than anything she experienced otherwise. I think it was more to do with the fact that he was getting angrier and angrier during fight "Anakin style", plus she refrained from using anger, which made her stronger in their first encounter.And yes, his feat of fighting a strike team is much better example.
.... Unless he'd received a powerup before he attacked her? I mean, the text directly says that he does it almost casually, yet that its power exceeded anything prior. And I don't buy him getting angrier. Before he beat her she sensed sympathy and pity from him and afterwards she felt only ambivalence.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus received an amp then beat her. After the amp he one-shot her.So in other words you just dismiss his best feats? Theres nothing inconsistent with Malgus' feats nor was there any exceptional circumstance in TOR that made him perform better. In Deceived he received a permanent amp through deepening his connection to the darkside, and then spent a decade or two preparing for his ascension. But even before that I don't consider Koon comparable to him.
I was just saying that it is considered inconsistent, but I'm not too convinced about this.
Regardless, just PUSHING them is not overwhelming, because even if an opponent is vastly above you, you can still push them (for example see Ventress and Nightsisters vs Dooku).
Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you not think that his performance against the Strike Team is evidence that he improved after Deceived?
Perhaps, but I doubt the improvement was so huge, and there's still the fact that the strike team should be far above Malgus.
Originally posted by Trocity
Yeah I don't agree with that inconsistent statement either. That's like dismissing Luke's high end feats because he also gets tagged by Lumiya. And Caedus isn't a top sith because Mara almost killed him.
Actually, both high-end and low-end feats should be dismissed when comparing characters. Feats that show what ther're normally capable of doing should be more important. Or at least that's how I personally try to judge characters.
Originally posted by Nargaroth
The reason why Koon is said to be comparable to Malgus on CV is that those feats from TOR are considered inconsistent, or at least showings that Malgus can only perform under exceptional circumstances. Furthermore, collectively, the strike team should be vastly above Malgus, and to my knowledge, there is no evidence that the latter improved much in power after Deceived.
I don't see that personally. Again Revan sent Vitiate flying back on a darkside nexus, Malgus has proven he has immense TK, and the only notable fighter on that team was HoT. Malgus had just gained an immense boon of power due to killing his lover, and had grown much more powerful than he had ever been before. Also its irrelevant whether or not he was that powerful, as the team did eventually beat him.
I'm uncertain if Plo would lose to Deceived Malgus. Deceived Malgus should be roughly as skilled as Opress, but Plo is more skillfull and just better than Zallow in every conceivable fashion. Speed, physical strength, should be even- but Plo is more skilled than Malgus at this point. I was thinking that Malgus could take some wins in a similar fashion as Opress did, but I'm not sure.