Originally posted by Based
Vapaad is a lightsaber form and would have no bearing on the Son of Mortis. As I will repeatedly say again, none of you remotely understands what vapaad is despite it being posted on every Mace thread.
You've got the entire thing so wrong I don't know where to begin...
First of all, I meant that what he says is so stupid that it suggests that Windu>Son which is inaccurate.
And secondly, he was joking about Windu's vaapad soloing this.
Originally posted by Sinious
[B]You've got the entire thing so wrong I don't know where to begin...
That Neph was making a joke but not obvious to the point where you thought it was serious? That's evident.
First of all, I meant that what he says is so stupid that it suggests that Windu>Son which is inaccurate.
How one Earth does Mace getting an amp to fight Dooku and Malgus turn into him beating the Son? Like how did the logic train go from:
"Argument" A: Mace can beat two combatants that aren't as strong as the Son because of vapaad.
Argument B: But the Son!!
Neph joking is irrelevant because you thought it was real and your comment about the Son was a sincere counterpoint. Except that "counter"doesn't make sense at all.
Originally posted by Based
That Neph was making a joke but not obvious to the point where you thought it was serious? That's evident.How one Earth does Mace getting an amp to fight Dooku and Malgus turn into him beating the Son? Like how did the logic train go from:
"Argument" A: Mace can beat two combatants that aren't as strong as the Son because of vapaad.
Argument B: But the Son!!
Neph joking is irrelevant because you thought it was real and your comment about the Son was a sincere counterpoint. Except that "counter"doesn't make sense at all.
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Okay buddy, I'm gonna explain this to you like you're an 8 years old:
He sarcastically said Windu would be able to defeat a team stronger than him cause of Vaapad in a way that he claimed the stronger the darker gets, the easier it would be for Windu where this suggests strongest dark sider of all time should be a cake for Windu. Got it?
And true, I was unable to see the sarcasm in his words where you have proven yourself to lack the talent to read since all was made clear at the end of discussion. Congratz. 👆
Got it now?
Did any of you read Shatterpoint?
When Mace was on a Dark Side nexus, he refused to use Vapaad because he was afraid that the darkness would consume him. Even when Depa was about to kill him, he chose to accept his fate than use Vapaad.
The Star Forge is most likely a MUCH stronger dark side nexus than the jungle he was in, so we're not going to see any Vapaad in this fight.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Which still means it would reach its limit against a darksider more powerful than Sidious,
Of which there are only two (The Son & Abeloth), which is a big duh.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
or a group of Darksiders collectively more powerful than Sidious.
Maybe if the lesser Sith merged into some sort of super-Sith amalgamation, but barring that, no.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Not in RotS. Not featwise.
lol
Yes in RotS. And you're more than welcome to go down the feat war route, but I'll warn you that it's a dead end for your side. 131
Consider all those arguments you have for Marek's feats, I'll flip them on Nihilus, Bane, Vitiate, or any other Sith you like; I'll reference every nexus, attack every unsubstantiated feat, and bury you with all of Palpatine's, since he has far more to draw on even as of RotS. I've got it down to a science and I always win.
The issue isn't whether Vaapad can keep up with their power, it's whether Windu himself can beat Dooku and Malgus at once. Two high-level Sith is too much for him. Vaapad lets him reach their levels, which is what makes it effective in 1 on 1 but against 2 opponents he's still outmatched.
Also its unlikely he'd even draw on Vaapad here.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The issue isn't whether Vaapad can keep up with their power, it's whether Windu himself can beat Dooku and Malgus at once. Two high-level Sith is too much for him. Vaapad lets him reach their levels, which is what makes it effective in 1 on 1 but against 2 opponents he's still outmatched.Also its unlikely he'd even draw on Vaapad here.
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Originally posted by The_Tempest
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Originally posted by Nephthys
The issue isn't whether Vaapad can keep up with their power, it's whether Windu himself can beat Dooku and Malgus at once. Two high-level Sith is too much for him. Vaapad lets him reach their levels, which is what makes it effective in 1 on 1 but against 2 opponents he's still outmatched.Also its unlikely he'd even draw on Vaapad here.
You're wrong about Vapaad, but you're right that he wouldn't use it here. Shatterpoint was conclusive proof on this, though I don't expect you to have read it since it's not TOR material...
Good novel though, probably the best Clone wars one Bar Dark Rendezvous.
Anyway, I give this to team 1, Revan could hold off Dooku no problem, saber would be an issue but he can keep him at bay with the force.
Malgus stands no chance against Mace.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I don't hate Marek's feats because they're amazeballs. I hate them because even some of the weaker people in the mythos have replicated them in the same setting.
Such as?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Make no mistake. Marek's a titan.
I know.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
A titan of the upper mid-tier. But aside from that, Bane's Vader level at best
Your magnanimity knows no bounds.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
and nowhere near Palpatine,
Who is, really?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
so I'm not sure why you brought him up.
Just getting a feel for which Sith Lords you wank so I can make a mental note for my dark purposes.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nihilus is a god,
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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
but his more powerful abilities don't involve powers that I think Vaapad would channel.
Indeed?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Vitiate used stronger Lightning than the one Palpatine was using against Mace,
Indeed?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
but that matters little because Palpatine's lightning was getting progressively stronger.
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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Finally, strength in one area doesn't mean strength in the all. I put many things into consideration when determining power. Not just the hearsay of others and accolades. Otherwise, Anakin would be the most powerful Jedi of all time well before his prime.
I agree. The problem is that it seems you rely on whichever consideration gives you a preferable outcome. Feats and accolades are the only variables that determine a person's station. Palpatine, by and large, is king of both realms among Sith, even compared to Nihilus and Vitiate. I've been down this road before about a zillion times over the years and it's a dead end for the opposing side.