Raskta Lsu vs. Quinlan Vos

Started by Nephthys2 pages
Originally posted by ILS
Hundreds of Sith who have accomplished what, exactly? Bane being a Dark Lord alone doesn't do much for his dueling skill - that's a title, not a dueling accolade. Bane is a competent duelist, but he isn't as skilled as Vos, who's comfortably floating around a tier 7 for me.

Orbalisk Bane is such a more deadly swordsman than Vos that it is actually hilarious. And Lsu is greatly more skilled as a duelist than him. She beats Vos in sabers 10/10.

And Lsu seriously isn't as weak as people think. Even Bane, who is unfathomably more powerful than a mediocre force user like Vos would have only killed her due to her hitting the wall. She isn't so easy to beat that anyone decent can just push her around.

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Originally posted by Nephthys
Orbalisk Bane is such a more deadly swordsman than Vos that it is actually hilarious. And Lsu is greatly more skilled as a duelist than him. She beats Vos in sabers 10/10.

And Lsu seriously isn't as weak as people think. Even Bane, who is unfathomably more powerful than a mediocre force user like Vos would have only killed her due to her hitting the wall. She isn't so easy to beat that anyone decent can just push her around.


Would you care to post Bane's best dueling feats? Then I can match them up with Vos'. Bare in mind I'm lacking context because I haven't read the Bane trilogy yet, so you may need to go into detail.
Edit: Actually yeah, Orbalisk Bane is more deadly than Vos. But that's more due to stats than raw skill. And it all depends on exactly how well Lsu did against that version of Bane, unless she has other feats.

Vos is "more skilled" than Orb Bane, sure.

.... Because Bane doesn't even need to use skill with the orbalisks and just bullrushes everything. His raw stats and almost complete protection make him unbelievably deadly in this incarnation even without much refinement in his style. As Zannah described it, his technique was simple and brutish, but unarguably very effective. And it's not as if Bane isn't actually a master duelist, his skill was actually extremely vast and advanced. He was just more effective by relying on his armor and brute force than going for anything fancy.

Raskta managing to do so well against such a complete monster speaks highly about her abilities.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vos is "more skilled" than Orb Bane, sure.

.... Because Bane doesn't even need to use skill with the orbalisks and just bullrushes everything. His raw stats and almost complete protection make him unbelievably deadly in this incarnation even without much refinement in his style. As Zannah described it, his technique was simple and brutish, but unarguably very effective. And it's not as if Bane isn't actually a master duelist, his skill was actually extremely vast and advanced. He was just more effective by relying on his armor and brute force than going for anything fancy.

Raskta managing to do so well against such a complete monster speaks highly about her abilities.


When did I say Vos was more skilled than any version of Bane? All I said was that haven't read the books and would like to compare feats.

Well how well exactly did she do, and how did the Orbalisks amp Bane? IIRC they increased his general stats as well as gave him regeneration. I can understand where you're coming from if his physicals went through the roof with the orbalisks, but if the amp wasn't substantial, then I'd assume at face value that Lsu fought someone who was relying on pure power and not skill. If that did end up being the case, and she still lost anyway, I'd need to vouch for Vos' skill against hers still.

Originally posted by ILS
Bane is a competent duelist, but he isn't as skilled as Vos, who's comfortably floating around a tier 7 for me.

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I'll reply to the other bit when I can not be lazy (never maybe).

LOL I'm such a dunce. Yeah I kind of forgot about posting that last night. That's my initial opinion on the matter but I'm open to having it changed.

Bane does not lack skill with the orbalisks, he just doesn't use defensive measures to protect anything but his head.

Originally posted by ILS
Well how well exactly did she do, and how did the Orbalisks amp Bane? IIRC they increased his general stats as well as gave him regeneration. I can understand where you're coming from if his physicals went through the roof with the orbalisks, but if the amp wasn't substantial, then I'd assume at face value that Lsu fought someone who was relying on pure power and not skill. If that did end up being the case, and she still lost anyway, I'd need to vouch for Vos' skill against hers still.

You act as if Bane needs a huge amp to be far deadlier than Vos. He doesn't, in any area. Even without them he would curbstomp Vos. However, he was very deadly with them. Fast enough to appear to wield a dozen lightsabers at once, strong enough to disarm Farfalla in one strike, almost instant regeneration and with near-complete protection from lightsaber strikes which is a massive advantage.

I'll post Raskta's relevant showings in the fight:

Note that everything below is from the perspective of Farfalla and Johun, so when she's moving too quickly for them to see she's moving too quickly for them to see. Note also though that she is amped by Battle Meditation.

"Raska's blue blades flickered too quickly for the eye to see, neutralizing her enemy's initial, wild attack then landing half a dozen lethal blows to his chest and abdomen. But instead of toppling, the big man kept coming, never even breaking stride. He would have plowed straight into Raskta, trampling her under his heavy boots, had she not cartwheeled to the side at the last possible instant."

Nice speed, blocking Bane's attack and landing a dozen on him before he could run through her lightsaber range and bowl her over.

"Farfalla saw the Sith Lord turn toward him, sensing the intervention that had saved Raskta's life. Bane unleashed a barrage of Sith lightning, gathering and releasing his power at the speed of thought. The Jedi threw up a Force barrier to shield himself, but the electricity tore right through it and arced toward him. Then suddenly Raskta was there to save his life, repaying a debt that was only a few seconds old as she threw herself in front of him. Fueled by Worror's battle meditation, she switched styles seamlessly, and her arms and blades became a blur as they carved figure eights in the air to catch and absorb the bolts of dark side energy."

Rastka catches individual lightning bolts of a Force Storm.

"He spun back to the fight to see that the Echani Weapons Master had taken the offensive, sending quick flicks of her blue blades toward Bane's unprotected face-the only spot on his body seemingly not covered by the impenetrable shells. Remarkably, Bane was giving ground.

"Stay back!" she shouted at Farfalla. "You'll just get in the way."

Farfalla did as he was told, gathering the energies of the light side to throw up another protective Force barrier should Bane try to unleash his dark side powers against the Echani.

She seemed to be everywhere at once-in front of Bane, beside him, behind him, circling low, leaping to come in high, deflecting his blade with one of her own then stabbing three quick times in succession at his eyes. The big man's head ducked and bobbed, twisting and turning to avoid her blows as he tried to mount a counteroffensive.

Raskta's mastery of her blades was unparalleled, but even with her talents augmented by Worror's battle meditation she wasn't able to land a telling blow on such a small target through Bane's defenses. Still, the ferocity of her new strategy had turned the momentum in her favor ... or so Farfalla thought."

Raskta appears to be in multiple places at once from Farfalla's perspective and her skill is "unparalleled".

"Together the three of them held the Sith Lord at bay: Farfalla on the left flank, Johun on the right, and Raskta in the center. Between blocks and parries they cut and stabbed at his face, their combined efforts finally forcing their enemy into a defensive stance.

The young Jedi marveled at the speed and savagery of Raskta's blades. And while Johun's own clumsy efforts had actually seemed to impede Sarro when they fought side by side, Raskta appeared to thrive off his presence. When he went high, she went low. If he came from the left, she came from the right. It was partly a function of her choice of weapon: individually each of her lightsabers was more precise and accurate than Sarro's giant double blades. But it was more than that. Her reactions were so fast, her combat instincts so pure, that she was able to sense and anticipate what he was going to do even as it happened, then use his attacks to her own advantage."

It takes BM Raskta, Farfalla and Johun to force Bane on the defensive. And Raskta is able to turn even a slow, poor duelist like Johun into an asset through her superior skill and battle prowess.

Raskta didn't lose to Bane, she was backstabbed by Zannah after she'd dispatched her own opponent due to a momentary distraction. Her speed and skill were extraordinary, much greater than Vos' imo. Even accounting for the Battle Meditation.

Also in a comparison with Sarro, Raskta is significantly more skilled than him, despite Sarro being said to have elevated the act of combat to its purest and highest form and being hideously skilled in his own right.