Originally posted by Selenial
Like what?Honestly, I've never seen any raw TK from Yoda that put him above Dooku's Obelisk lifting cave smashing feats...
Destroying 300 meter wide landing crafts by slamming them into each other, which I don't view as an exaggerated feat, considering what his far inferiors can do with TK. As Neph pointed out, hurling Sidious, whom Dooku is miles below in terms of TK, across his office. Yes, I realize that it's common for less powerful force users to tag their superiors with FPs, but the one Yoda used on Sidious was potent enough that Sidious reconsidered doing battle with him, suggesting that Sidious found Yoda's TK to be very threatening to him. Then there's the fact that Yoda has dominated Ventress with TK with less effort than Dooku has, and then shortly after, catching/completely stoping an avalanche of a bunch of free falling huge boulders with ease, and then redirecting them (which should be a more impressive feat itself than lifting all those stones, considering the speed in which they were falling).
Originally posted by Selenial
Can we also not forget that Dooku has superior TK to Yoda? People keep forgetting these kinds of things. Dooku has displayed better TK than Yoda, thus we can judge Dooku's TK from Yoda's feats too... The count isn't one for lavish displays of power, but even without The Yoda comparison he's far outclassed Malgus.
Anyway, the lunacy of Dooku > Yoda aside theres no evidence for Dooku far outclassing Malgus. That's stupid. One of Dooku's best feats, lifting those obelisks, is (at least) matched by Malgus when he lifted and threw a mountain of rubble from two large buildings while injured. And then heavily implied that he could overpower the Jedi who had collapsed those two buildings on top of him in TK. Malgus has also held back Zeerid's shuttle from taking off with a force pull hard enough to make the engine whine, before eventually being overpowered. A great feat equal to any of Dooku's in my book. And he's tossed around Satele, Zallow and Aryn, all of whom are highly impressive TK masters. And all of these were before his increase in power in Deceived btw. After that, his feats of tossing around the strike team and choking several of them at once are well above Dooku's feats.
Originally posted by Selenial
As for lightning, Malgus' feats don't impress me.
He impresses me a lot more than Dooku does. Overpowering the defenses of a very powerful Jedi and still having enough power to burn holes in his chest is a great display of power. As is killing 3 Jedi in a single blast and bringing the Imperial Strike Team to it's knees with lightning in TOR. He's better than Dooku by a ways yet again.
And he can combine TK and lightning in the Force Maelstrom.
Originally posted by Selenial
Malgus' Strength isn't enough to best the Count if Anakin had his strength matched entirely. Dooku's dexterity and speed also outclass Malgus, he's also an incredibly fluid fighter.
Dooku never matched Anakin's strength entirely imo. And Malgus doesn't use extensive dexterity since he's a Djem So practitioner. Though he has demonstrated that he is quite dextrous jumping over attacks, rolling, performing quick turns. He's quicker on his feet than you'd think. And he's got great durability. It would take a lot of hits for Dooku to beat him.
Originally posted by Selenial
He's Malgus' superior in every way...
No, he's not.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Oneness with the force has never been permanent. Prove it was permanent.The only dark sider who achieved complete unity with the dark side was Sidious, which is a different oneness than the state Jacen and Marek momentarily achieved.
He still had it at least several days after his fight with Aryn. After their fight he was reassigned to the Unknown Regions, but he snuck away and made his way to kill Adraas. So some length of time had clearly occurred, enough for him to get off Coruscant, bury his wife, go to his new post and then sneak off and kill Adraas. He also mentions that his new understanding of the Force uncreased daily.
What about this suggests his amp with temporary?
"Thinking of Eleena blew oxygen on the embers of his anger. In life, Eleena had been his weakness, a tool to be exploited by rivals. In death, she had become his strength, her memory the lens of his rage.
He resided in the calm eye of a storm of hate. Power churned around him, within him. He did not feel as if he were drawing on the Force, using it. He felt as if he were the Force, as if he had merged with it.
He had evolved. Nothing split his loyalties any longer. He served the Force and only the Force, and his understanding of it increased daily.
The growing power whirling around him, leaking through the lid of his control, made the suppression of his Force signature impossible. All at once he lowered all of the mental barriers, let the full force of his power roil around him."
Originally posted by Nephthys
He still had it at least several days after his fight with Aryn. After their fight he was reassigned to the Unknown Regions, but he snuck away and made his way to kill Adraas. So some length of time had clearly occurred, enough for him to get off Coruscant, bury his wife, go to his new post and then sneak off and kill Adraas. He also mentions that his new understanding of the Force uncreased daily.What about this suggests his amp with temporary?
"Thinking of Eleena blew oxygen on the embers of his anger. In life, Eleena had been his weakness, a tool to be exploited by rivals. In death, she had become his strength, her memory the lens of his rage.
[b]He resided in the calm eye of a storm of hate. Power churned around him, within him. He did not feel as if he were drawing on the Force, using it. He felt as if he were the Force, as if he had merged with it.
He had evolved.
Nothing split his loyalties any longer. He served the Force and only the Force, and his understanding of it increased daily.The growing power whirling around him, leaking through the lid of his control, made the suppression of his Force signature impossible. All at once he lowered all of the mental barriers, let the full force of his power roil around him." [/B]
Sounds similar to how Dooku viewed himself in the ROTS novel.
Can you link me to that Russian website, so I can download the entire deceived novel?
I will read Deceived before I make a judgment on Dooku vs. Malgus. I already know just about all of Malgus's feats via Intrepid, but I need to know the power of his opponents in order put some of his feats in better perspective.
Neph, as always, you're lowballing Dooku. Lifting those obelisks doesn't even approach his peak performance with TK, considering the ease in which he did it. Again, Dooku has casually dominated other powerful force users with TK. Also, Dooku isn't lacking in strength to the extent that you seem to imply. Both Kenobi and Ventress have impressive strength feats, yet Dooku casually sends them flying with physical attacks. The only opponents Dooku struggles with in terms of strength are Savage (who was already strong enough to punch holes through concrete walls before his major amp by Talzin), angry Anakin, and Yoda. Other than that, Dooku is a beast, physically, IMO.