Originally posted by carver9I reckon Vegeta could probably destroy far more of the surface with a single attack and possibly pierce through the planet and out the other side with one blast strong. 👆
No difference than Master Roshi or 350 power level Piccolo?
How much more impressive do you think destroying Earth is, compared to the moon?
Originally posted by NemeBro
I reckon Vegeta could probably destroy far more of the surface with a single attack and possibly pierce through the planet and out the other side with one blast strong. 👆How much more impressive do you think destroying Earth is, compared to the moon?
Someone that can lay waste to the moon with a casual blast could do what you said though.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I think DBZ is great at energy projection, but their punches and kicks are nowhere near their blasts in power.
Eh, the series itself shows that this statement is not exactly true.
First example which comes to mind is final form Freeza vs Vegeta and 100% Freeza vs Goku: raged Vegeta threw a planet busting attack at Freeza (we know this for sure, since Piccolo explicity tells us and Freeza's expression changes), but he kicked it away form Namek, by using way less than 50% of power of his final form;
Ssj Goku, on the other hand, made 100% Freeza (way higher battle power and thus way higher durability and such) spit blood with a single punch.
Another example is Raditz: he tanked without breaking a sweat a moon buster from Piccolo, from point blank range, yet enrage Gohan's headbutt made him spit blood (that's because Gohan's battle power was > Piccolo's, everything in DB is based on this rule).
Regarding the topic, EoDB Goku, with a BP below 400, and with very limited Ki control (he really begins to master Ki only under King Kai's training, and Ki is the discriminant for very high physical strength in DBZ), was able to lift a 116 tons Piccolo like nothing (indeed, according to Daiz and SEG, Piccolo weighs 116 kg and grew by 10 times at the 23rd Budokai).
Originally posted by NemeBro
I suppose you think a man who tosses away a live grenade can destroy a car with his bare hands as well?Also, are you allergic to linking scans that can be easily tracked back to their gallery so people can look at the context?
That blast didn't destroy a planet nor was there any indication it could. 👆
Yes, because a ball of energy is comparable to a grenade. It's the same thing as if he caught a ball of fire. DBZ characters have to deal with extreme heat resonating from the blasts when they try to catch them, because the blasts ARE the explosion. Hell, why do you think Goku was blowing on his hands after catching a blast from Freiza, and also, a perfect example to disprove what you're claiming about ki blasts, is how Cell was killed. Gohan's kamehameha wave didn't explode, because all the force was in the wave itself. It CAN explode, but there's more force in a condensed attack, which I have proven to you countless times.
Well, I didn't know I had to. Sorry, gosh.
Um, considering a weaker blast from a weaker Vegeta from the beginning of the series WAS a planet buster, this blast OBVIOUSLY had at LEAST planet busting capacity.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Physically db chars can't reach those levels. They are energy based gughters nor ohtsucal beasts.
I know you meant "fighters", and not, "gughters", but what the hell did you mean with "ohtsucal"?
Anyway, you clearly don't understand the level of force required to planet+ bust. If someone can bat away an attack that CAN destroy planets and even more, than someone can USUALLY strike with that level of power, meaning they also have a similar lifting capacity.
If Trunks was able to lift a blast that could destroy the planet, and easily tank the explosion, then he can most definitely push against the force required to do the same.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I know you meant "fighters", and not, "gughters", but what the hell did you mean with "ohtsucal"?Anyway, you clearly don't understand the level of force required to planet+ bust. If someone can bat away an attack that CAN destroy planets and even more, than someone can USUALLY strike with that level of power, meaning they also have a similar lifting capacity.
If Trunks was able to lift a blast that could destroy the planet, and easily tank the explosion, then he can most definitely push against the force required to do the same.
Imeant physical beasts, I was on my way typing with the phone.
Anyway, I understand it, don't worry but deflecting an ENERGY attack that has the potential to destroy a planet is not the same as deflecting a PHYSICAL attack doing the same or having the physical planetary strength, this is the most simplest of logics.
We see that your assumption is not true in the manga and the anime. Take Goku, even at his highest and best level he was energy based a planet buster but struggled to lift a small part of a city or support it. Their physical might is not equal to their energy might. This is a FACT based on mangas and animes.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Imeant physical beasts, I was on my way typing with the phone.Anyway, I understand it, don't worry but deflecting an ENERGY attack that has the potential to destroy a planet is not the same as deflecting a PHYSICAL attack doing the same or having the physical planetary strength, this is the most simplest of logics.
We see that your assumption is not true in the manga and the anime. Take Goku, even at his highest and best level he was energy based a planet buster but struggled to lift a small part of a city or support it. Their physical might is not equal to their energy might. This is a FACT based on mangas and animes.
Ah, makes sense.
What don't you get here? It takes a minimum of around 53 quadrillion megatons of explosive force to destroy the Earth. If an explosive can destroy the Earth, than it has a force of GREATER than 53 quadrillion megatons. The ki blasts in DBZ have EXPONENTIAL force pressing on them to condense ki enough to create an equivalent of that in terms of energy. However, this "energy", is still VERY physical. This is the source of the power that lets DBZ characters use physical attacks to overcome durabilities that surpass those of a planet. For example, Freiza was shot with countless thousands of planet busting attacks, worn down by a fight with a Super Saiyan, cut in half by his own attack, and left stranded on an exploding planet. HE STILL SURVIVED. The force present on a planetary mass 3.5 times the size of Earth(Namek's size), during a planetary supernova such as this, would be RIDICULOUSLY greater than the explosive force needed to destroy the Earth. In fact, taking the density of the planets iron core into consideration, as well as the abruptness of the explosion, the present force would be roughly that of several planets colliding, over 200 quadrillion megatons, approximately. Frieza SURVIVED that force.
Now, 1 megaton = 1 million tons. They are both measurements of force, meaning that 1 megaton is the equivalent in force of 1 million tons. Now, since 1 megaton = 1 million tons, this means that Frieza, while injured, bisected, and already exhausted, survived an explosion with the equivalent in sheer FORCE alone(disregarding the immense temperatures also present in the explosion) of OVER 200 SEXTILLION tons. Basically, if PC Superman PUNCHED Frieza AS HARD AS HE COULD, Frieza could tank it a thousand times over.
This is all ridiculously impressive. Until Frieza is cut in to tiny pieces, and vaporized by Trunks without breaking a sweat. In a split second, Trunks, without making a large AOE blast, conjured enough FORCE to not only cut Frieza into tiny pieces, but vaporize all of the pieces at once. Something that not even the temperature of the exploding planet could accomplish. Basically Trunks used a NON-physical attack to do something that a physical "attack" could not. So, aside from the fact that Trunks > Frieza, Energy attacks > Physical.
So, since I already know the argument I'm going to be faced with, which will undoubtedly be along the lines of, "Well the energy attacks explosions are what does so much damage, not the blasts themselves", I will reply with this simple tidbit. THE KAMEHAMEHA ALMOST NEVER EXPLODES, AND IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST ATTACKS THAT EXISTS IN DBZ. The Tri-beam DOESN'T, and IS the strongest attack. Basically, my point here is that there are many different types of ki blasts, but for all intents and purposes, they can be summed into two different categories. Explosive, AOE attacks, and forceful, hot, condensed attacks. The condensed attacks are always the strongest, as they hold said power confined to a smaller area, which adds pressure, and therefor heat, speed and force to the blasts. This is why the Kamehameha wave Gohan shot at Cell VAPORIZED him. The Kamehameha wave IS an explosion, but a guided one. While arguing that the Z-fighters don't face physical attacks, you're saying that the explosions aren't physical as well, which is NOT true.