Originally posted by pym-ftw
The UFC has alot of rules
UFC Rules
A. The following acts constitute fouls in a contest or exhibition of mixed martial arts and may result in penalties, at the discretion of thereferee, if committed:
Butting with the head
Eye gouging of any kind
Biting
Spitting at an opponent
Hair pulling
Fish hooking
Groin attacks of any kind
Putting a finger into any orifice or any cut or laceration of an opponent
Small joint manipulation
Striking downward using the point of the elbow
Striking to the spine or the back of the head
Kicking to the kidney with a heel
Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea
Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh
Grabbing the clavicle
Kicking the head of a grounded opponent
Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent
Stomping a grounded opponent
Holding the fence
Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent
Using abusive language in fenced ring/fighting area
Engaging in any unsportsmanlike conduct that causes injury to an opponent
Attacking an opponent on or during the break
Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee
Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the round
Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury
Throwing opponent out of ring/fighting area
Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee
Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck
Interference by the corner
Applying any foreign substance to the hair or body to gain an advantage
Disqualification may occur after any combination of fouls or after a flagrant foul at the discretion of the referee.
Fouls may result in a point being deducted by the official scorekeeper from the offending contestant's score. The scorekeeper, not the judges, will be responsible for calculating the true score after factoring in the point deduction.
Only a referee can assess a foul. If the referee does not call the foul, judges must not make that assessment on their own and should not factor such into their scoring calculations.
If a foul is committed:
The referee shall call timeout.
The referee shall order the offending contestant to a neutral location.
The referee shall check the fouled contestant's condition and safety.
The referee shall then assess the foul to the offending contestant and deduct points if the referee deems it appropriate, and notify the commission, the corners, the official scorekeeper of his decision on whether the foul was accidental or intentional and whether a point is to be taken away.
If a bottom contestant commits a foul, unless the top contestant is injured, the contest will continue and:
The referee will verbally notify the bottom contestant of the foul.
When the round is over, the referee will assess the foul and notify the commission, the corners, the judges and the official scorekeeper.
The referee may terminate a contest based on the severity of a foul. For such a flagrant foul, the contestant committing the foul shall lose by disqualification.
Low Blow Foul:
A fighter who has been struck with a low blow is allowed up to 5 minutes to recover from the foul as long as in the ringside doctor's opinion the fighter may possibly continue on in the contest.
If the fighter states that they can continue on before the five minutes of time have expired, the referee shall, as soon as practical, restart the fight.
If the fighter goes over the 5 minute time allotment, and the fight cannot be restarted, the contest must come to an end with the outcome determined by the round and time in which the fight was stopped. See Section 16 below.
Fighter Fouled by other than low blow:
If a contest of mixed martial arts is stopped because of an accidental foul, the referee shall determine whether the unarmed combatant who has been fouled can continue or not. If the unarmed combatant's chance of winning has not been seriously jeopardized as a result of the foul and if the foul did not involve a concussive impact to the head of the unarmed combatant who has been fouled, the referee may order the contest or exhibition continued after a recuperative interval of not more than 5 minutes. Immediately after separating the unarmed combatants, the referee shall inform the Commission's representative of his determination that the foul was accidental.
If a fighter is fouled by blow that the referee deems illegal, the referee should stop the action and call for time. The referee may take the injured fighter to the ringside doctor and have the ringside doctor examine the fighter as to their ability to continue on in the contest. The ringside doctor has up to 5 minutes to make their determination. If the ringside doctor determines that the fighter can continue in the contest, the referee shall as soon as practical restart the fight. Unlike the low blow foul rule, the fighter does not have up to 5 minutes of time to use, at their discretion, and must continue the fight when instructed to by the referee.
For a foul other than a low blow, if the injured fighter is deemed not fit to continue, by the referee, the referee must immediately call a halt to the bout. If the fighter is deemed not fit to continue, by the referee, even though some of the 5 minute foul time is still remaining, the fighter cannot avail himself of the remaining time and the fight must be stopped.
If the referee stops the contest and employs the use of the ringside doctor, the ringside physician's examinations shall not exceed 5 minutes. If 5 minutes is exceeded, the fight cannot be re-started and the contest must end.
16. Injuries Sustained by Fair Blows and Fouls Return to Top
If an injury sustained during competition as a result of a legal maneuver is severe enough to terminate a bout, the injured contestant loses by technical knockout.
If an injury sustained during competition as a result of an intentional foul, as determined by the referee, is severe enough to terminate a bout, the contestant causing the injury loses by disqualification.
If an injury is sustained during competition as a result of an intentional foul, as determined by the referee, and the bout is allowed to continue, the referee shall notify the scorekeeper to automatically deduct two points from the contestant who committed the foul.
If an injury sustained during competition as a result of an intentional foul, as determined by the referee, causes the injured contestant to beunable to continue at a subsequent point in the contest, the injured contestant shall win by technical decision, if he or she is ahead on the scorecards. If the injured contestant is even or behind on the score cards at the time of stoppage, the outcome of the bout shall be declared a technicaldraw.
If a contestant injures himself or herself while attempting to foul his or her opponent, the referee shall not take any action in his or herfavor, and the injury shall be treated in the same manner as an injury produced by a fair blow.
If an injury sustained during competition as a result of an accidental foul, as determined by the referee, is severe enough for the referee tostop the bout immediately, the bout shall result in a no contest if stopped before two rounds have been completed in a three round bout or if stoppedbefore three rounds have been completed in a five round bout.
If an injury sustained during competition as a result of an accidental foul, as determined by the referee, is severe enough for the referee tostop the bout immediately, the bout shall result in a technical decision awarded to the contestant who is ahead on the score cards at the time the boutis stopped only when the bout is stopped after two rounds of a three round bout, or three rounds of a five round bout have been completed.
Incomplete rounds should be scored utilizing the same criteria as the scoring of other rounds up to the point said incomplete round is stopped.
17. Types of Contest Results Return to Top
Submission by:
Physical Tap Out
Verbal Tap Out
Knockout by:
when Referee stops the contest (TKO)
when an injury as a result of a legal maneuver is sever enough to terminate a bout (TKO)
when contestant being rendered unconscious due strikes or kicks (KO)
Decision via the scorecards, including:
Unanimous Decision - When all three judges score the contest for the same contestant
Split Decision - When two judges score the contest for one contestant and one judge scores for the opponent
Majority Decision - When two judges score the contest for the same contestant and one judge scores a draw
Draws, including:
Unanimous Draw - When all three judges score the contest a draw
Majority Draw - When two judges score the contest a draw
Split Draw - When all three judges score differently
Disqulification
Forfeit
Technical Draw
Technical Decision
No Decision
Originally posted by Surtur
There is no chance he could beat pre reboot Diana in these circumstances. The OP said she keeps her speed, so how can Thor beat someone he can't land a hit on without the aid of his plot device hammer?
Because she is fighting in character. Fighting out of character, Surfer himself could stomp any Herald 10/10. Once you agree with that, I will agree with your speed stance.
Originally posted by carver9
Because she is fighting in character. Fighting out of character, Surfer himself could stomp any Herald 10/10. Once you agree with that, I will agree with your speed stance.
She is also using her speed, as stated by the OP. Here is the thing: either you acknowledge she has super speed or you are saying the character doesn't. The "in character" excuse doesn't fly with Wonder Woman, who never had any in character reasons for not using her speed, nor would she have any reason whatsoever to want to allow Thor to hit her. Speed is a huge advantage whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
It also just plain makes no sense for her to hold back her speed. Even if you want to argue at first she doesn't..Thor isn't one hit KO'ing her, so once she is hit and is all "hmm, that seems to be causing me pain" you need to now explain to us why she will continue to allow herself to be hit when it is within her power to prevent it. Explain it in a way that makes sense, why Wonder Woman would think to herself "getting hit by this guy who can hurt me is the right strategy".
You surely can bring up Silver Surfer all you want, but it doesn't change the fact these characters have speed. Unless you legitimately believe characters like Superman or Wonder Woman just..don't have any speed? That is how it genuinely comes off, I don't know how else to take it. The "in character" argument sounds good on paper until you really think about it and realize 99% of these characters have nothing about their specific character that prevents them from using their speed.
Originally posted by Surtur
She is also using her speed, as stated by the OP. So what you just said is irrelevant, she beats Thor here, pre or post reboot. Here is the thing: either you acknowledge she has super speed or you are saying the character doesn't. The "in character" excuse doesn't fly with Wonder Woman, who never had any in character reasons for not using her speed, nor would she have any reason whatsoever to want to allow Thor to hit her.You surely can bring up Silver Surfer all you want, but it doesn't change the fact these characters have speed. Unless you legitimately believe characters like Superman or Wonder Woman just..don't have any speed?
Well, I agree with you as long as you agree that Surfer stomps all Heralds, including Supes.
With that said, Thor loses 10/10.
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Originally posted by carver9
Well, I agree with you as long as you agree that Surfer stomps all Heralds, including Supes.With that said, Thor loses 10/10.
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Is Superman a herald? Sure there was that one story, but in that story Herald Superman tanked a beam meant for cutting adamantium, so the problem there is "extreme durability" is one of the few counters for high end speed.
You also don't see the problems with your argument? I never said super speed always means you win, I merely said it is very helpful. It is not a guaranteed win, it's just an extremely difficult power to counter.
If you feel Wonder Woman won't use her speed here you need a reason why she will want to let Thor wail on her. If your argument is "she lets people do that in comics" then I have no issue with that as long as you tell us what the reasons given in these comics were for her allowing this. If no reasons were given, we can assume there are no legitimate reasons.
As for your comments about Surfer and heralds, the problem there is that Surfer has way more appearances then most other heralds. He's got the speed feats and the overall feats of versatility that some of the other heralds just do not have. Firelord, for instance, would get beat by Surfer. That isn't even because of the Spider-Man thing. Silver Surfer is all around one of the most powerful heralds and one of the few with some good speed feats that are more then just "flies super fast in space".
Can I say there is no herald he couldn't beat? No, I don't know the speed feats and durability feats for them all. But you seem to feel it would be a weird thing for the herald with the most appearances to overall seem more powerful via feats, but why?
Though I have no problem admitting Surfer can beat Superman. Supes is my favorite character, I would love if he could genuinely give people like Surfer or Thanos a fight. I really would, I'm one of the few who'd have no problem seeing him get close to his pre crisis levels again.
As it stands, unless current Superman has racked up more speed feats I am unaware of, Surfer is faster. Then we have things like..Surfer can phase, Superman can't. Surfer can emit red sun radiation and could emit kryptonite too if he wanted. Surfer can also transmute objects. He also has fights against people who can destroy planets and such things. He has, as I recall, had fights against people where the energy released by them was so great nearby moons were being destroyed as side effects. I think if he decided to just try to fist fight Superman and nothing else it would be stupid, but why would he do that?
Originally posted by Surtur
Is Superman a herald? Sure there was that one story, but in that story Herald Superman tanked a beam meant for cutting adamantium, so the problem there is "extreme durability" is one of the few counters for high end speed.You also don't see the problems with your argument? I never said super speed always means you win, I merely said it is very helpful. It is not a guaranteed win, it's just an extremely difficult power to counter.
If you feel Wonder Woman won't use her speed here you need a reason why she will want to let Thor wail on her. If your argument is "she lets people do that in comics" then I have no issue with that as long as you tell us what the reasons given in these comics were for her allowing this. If no reasons were given, we can assume there are no legitimate reasons.
As for your comments about Surfer and heralds, the problem there is that Surfer has way more appearances then most other heralds. He's got the speed feats and the overall feats of versatility that some of the other heralds just do not have. Firelord, for instance, would get beat by Surfer. That isn't even because of the Spider-Man thing. Silver Surfer is all around one of the most powerful heralds and one of the few with some good speed feats that are more then just "flies super fast in space".
Can I say there is no herald he couldn't beat? No, I don't know the speed feats and durability feats for them all. But you seem to feel it would be a weird thing for the herald with the most appearances to overall seem more powerful via feats, but why?
Though I have no problem admitting Surfer can beat Superman. Supes is my favorite character, I would love if he could genuinely give people like Surfer or Thanos a fight. I really would, I'm one of the few who'd have no problem seeing him get close to his pre crisis levels again.
As it stands, unless current Superman has racked up more speed feats I am unaware of, Surfer is faster. Then we have things like..Surfer can phase, Superman can't. Surfer can emit red sun radiation and could emit kryptonite too if he wanted. Surfer can also transmute objects. He also has fights against people who can destroy planets and such things. He has, as I recall, had fights against people where the energy released by them was so great nearby moons were being destroyed as side effects. I think if he decided to just try to fist fight Superman and nothing else it would be stupid, but why would he do that?
As long as your consistent then we are good.
Re: ....... Thor -Vs- Wonder Woman ...........
Originally posted by SupermexThor Vs Wonder Woman
Who wins?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Thor wins and ends in sex.
Originally posted by DigiAgreed.
With He-Man, of course.
But that's the only reasonable way this fight ends.
Hey!
Thor and He-man aren't gay.
They're only ... drawn like that!