What's Vader's real speed tier ?

Originally posted by ares834
Maul > Sheev

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Sheev didn't fight in the TPM. *Sigh*

Maul is Quick and deadly like no other StarWars villain before.

But he was a villain in RotJ... Which came out before TPM.

Originally posted by ares834
But he was a villain in RotJ... Which came out before TPM.

Sheev was using a f**** walking stick in the RotJ. And never demonstrated his speed.

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Just like Yoda in the PT.

And Yoda showed his speed, RotJ Sheev didn't.

Your point? Your clearly canon source says Maul is quicker and deadlier than any SW villain before not that he is the quickest and deadliest that we have seen.

Clearly you are not going to accept any official source which is says ''Maul is faster than Vader.''

So arguing is pointless. Even though George Lucas himself said that Vader is crippled half droid half man and he wanted to be much more energetic and faster ; Darth Maul.

YouTube video

Maul isn't even faster than Obi-Wan.

Vader is not even faster than ''Old Ben Kenobi'' ....

And Maul is clearly faster than Obi-Wan.

Because you said so. Yep.

No because Lucas said so.

''Crippled, Half droid half man''

And Old Kai Hudorra said so ;

19 BBY. Vader just got the suit...

Doesn't really matter, it is just belong to his power set, it cannot be changed. His breathing apparatus and his heavy armor makes him slower than peak force sensitives.

Saying ''slow'' politely :

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''Heavy outfit and breathing apparatus could make it difficult for him to launch a surprise attack.''

3 ABY - Tales 4

Bounty Hunter Stauz Czycz vs. Vader

Another example ; Vader fails to tag him.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Doesn't really matter, it is just belong to his power set, it cannot be changed. His breathing apparatus and his heavy armor makes him slower than peak force sensitives.

http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y418/karasakal_teach/StarWarsComics04b0bafett_Scans02_zps2fd83754.jpg

Saying ''slow'' politely :

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3 ABY - Tales 4

Bounty Hunter Stauz Czycz vs. Vader

Another example ; Vader fails to tag him.

And Vader also completely outclasses Aurra Sing by dodging all of her acrobatics and attacks without even trying. Trying to make an argument against peak Vader by showing demonstrations of his weakest incarnations is not going to convince anyone.