New Rule : Windu amped by Vaapad.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Nah, Mace might actually be capable of defeating Plagueis.
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And Vaapad amplification is nothing like a temporary amp or like a territory advantage, it is belong to Mace's power set.
That is why Lucas himself said that Windu can be a challenge to the Emperor.
"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor."--George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 204
Originally posted by Marco1907
New Rule : Windu amped by Vaapad.
Wouldn't that be an assumption? Windu can use vapaad whenever he wants to.
I would have normally gone with Windu, but now I'm no longer sure.
In Windu's corner:
Vapaad + superconducting loop was enough to beat Palpatine
Plagueis is not known for his bladework, nor has he ever fought anyone of Windu's ability. He also has no knowledge of vapaad (whilst it isn't too difficult to buy that his apprentice, himself a form VII practitioner, prepped for a possible duel with the jedi master)
Plagueis has his vulnerable breathing apparatus
In Plagueis's corner:
It's possible he has access to esoteric Force abilities and sorcery of which Windu is unaware of
The RotS novelization suggests that Windu was fighting Palpatine at a level far beyond his base due to his heightened emotional state.
It's also suggested that Windu would have fallen soon after the other masters had he not sunken into vapaad, so, in the absence of such fodder Plagueis could end the duel early if he has Palpatine's speed
I'm still going with Mace, simply because I don't think Plagueis is as dangerous in a one v. one scenario as his apprentice, who was as much a master of the lightsaber as he was of the Force.
Originally posted by Skybreaker
Wouldn't that be an assumption? Windu can use vapaad whenever he wants to.
Mace has been shown to be afraid of sinking into Vapaad because he doesn't want to be consumed by darkness. In Shatterpoint, when he was on a dark-side nexus, he pretty much chose to almost die rather than use Vapaad.
Of course, I don't think Mace would have as much of a reservation towards using it against someone like Plagueis, but I'd still give Plagueis the win.
Originally posted by red8
Mace has been shown to be afraid of sinking into Vapaad because he doesn't want to be consumed by darkness. In Shatterpoint, when he was on a dark-side nexus, he pretty much chose to almost die rather than use Vapaad.Of course, I don't think Mace would have as much of a reservation towards using it against someone like Plagueis,
I don't think he would either, especially if he is aware of the sith lord's identity, and the whole "unbalance the Force" machinations.
but I'd still give Plagueis the win.
How so? Windu knocked a significantly deadlier Palpatine on his ass, and deflected his lightning right back at his face. Plagueis is a scholar, not a warrior, and typically gets away with this because all of his enemies are pathetically weaker than him.
The only manner in which I see Plagueis winning is if he either has some arcane sith bullshit he can pull from his ass, or if Windu really was so far beyond his baseline when he was fighting Palpatine.