WMD Found in Iraq

Originally posted by Bardock42
So yes, seems like both sides have to apologize, Democratic supporters that said there were no old WMDs at all . . .

Democratic supporters did not say there were no OLD weapons stockpiles at all.

The weapons that are the subject of the article were built by Iraq in collaboration with U.S. so they could fight our common enemy, Iran.

We knew those particular stockpiles were there since 1991.

What Democratic supporters did say is that the WMDs the Bush administration claimed to exist as a justification for invading Iraq, NEW weapons stockpiles of nuclear material (remember the big deal made about supposed intelligence stating that Sadam Hussein had obtained weapons-grade plutonium from Africa?) did not exist.

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Let's be clear that the reasons we went into Iraq were not just WMDs.

Here are the reasons:

1. Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement, including interference with U.N. weapons inspectors.

2. Iraq "continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability" and "actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability" posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region."

3. Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."

4. Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people".

5. Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt on former President George H. W. Bush and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.

6. Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.

7. Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.

8. Iraq paid bounty to families of suicide bombers.

9. The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them.

10. The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism.

11. The governments in Turkey, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia feared Saddam and wanted him removed from power.

12. Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.

Taken from here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

and here:

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archi...20021002-2.html

13. Iraq's oil and other natural resources.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
13. Iraq's oil and other natural resources.

Yes but are we directly gaining from them having oil or have we ever, Iraq is in complete dissary and ISIS has control of the oil and sells $3-5 million a day of it.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes but are we directly gaining from them having oil or have we ever, Iraq is in complete dissary and ISIS has control of the oil and sells $3-5 million a day of it.

Their hidden agenda backfired on them.

Now the world is in chaos all thanks to the Bush administration.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Only because US failed to take control of Iraq after Saddam's death.

Their hidden agenda backfired on them.

Now the world is in chaos all thanks to the Bush administration.

But the decorates voted for it in 2009 when they had power in congress. Lets blame the government of Iraq, not the parties?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-the-blame-for-iraq-is-shared.html

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
But the decorates voted for it in 2009 when they had power in congress. Lets blame the government of Iraq, not the parties?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-the-blame-for-iraq-is-shared.html

But it was the Bush administration who initiated the occupation of Iraq. Whether the majority of congress was Democrat or Republican does not matter. Most of the blame is theirs.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
The article is correct. All parties have a share of the blame for their failures.

But it was the Bush administration who initiated the occupation of Iraq. Whether the majority of congress was Democrat or Republican does not matter. Most of the blame is theirs.

Touche,

However, watch how quickly Obama is and will be thrown into the wind as he is now a lame duck. He will go out as prolly the worst president in history and the democrats will hang everything including Obama care around his neck like a kettlebell.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Touche,

However, watch how quickly Obama is and will be thrown into the wind as he is now a lame duck. He will go out as prolly the worst president in history and the democrats will hang everything including Obama care around his neck like a kettlebell.

He's definitely the worst president in Modern history by approval ratings, for sure.

Honestly, had he not broken so many campaign promises from 2008 and actually tried his best to make them happen (even if the Republican retards thwarted his every move), I would have voted for him in 2012. He didn't so I didn't. 😄

Also, I should note that, from my perspective, very objective about the facts in this thread: you don't take sides with the parties and call out bullshit from either side. If every American approached these topics like this, perhaps we would have better leadership...

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
However, watch how quickly Obama is and will be thrown into the wind as he is now a lame duck. He will go out as prolly the worst president in history and the democrats will hang everything including Obama care around his neck like a kettlebell.

😆

Originally posted by dadudemon
He's definitely the worst president in Modern history by approval ratings, for sure.

Honestly, had he not broken so many campaign promises from 2008 and actually tried his best to make them happen (even if the Republican retards thwarted his every move), I would have voted for him in 2012. He didn't so I didn't. 😄

Also, I should note that, from my perspective, very objective about the facts in this thread: you don't take sides with the parties and call out bullshit from either side. If every American approached these topics like this, perhaps we would have better leadership...

The Dems will toss him out like a wet sock. And soon, All the liberals here will do the same thing. Just you watch, Lestov, Robtard, Mindset and all them will follow suit. Mark my words, ther will be a massive turn and there already is one..

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/10/13/democrats-turn-on-obama/

Weren't they the ones USA sold them in the first place?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The Dems will toss him out like a wet sock. And soon, All the liberals here will do the same thing. Just you watch, Lestov, Robtard, Mindset and all them will follow suit. Mark my words, ther will be a massive turn and there already is one..

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/10/13/democrats-turn-on-obama/

You're being weird again.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're being weird again.

Why?

What you're saying.

Originally posted by Robtard
What you're saying.

Thats a rude thing to say.

Wasn't intended.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The Dems will toss him out like a wet sock. And soon, All the liberals here will do the same thing. Just you watch, Lestov, Robtard, Mindset and all them will follow suit. Mark my words, ther will be a massive turn and there already is one..

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/10/13/democrats-turn-on-obama/

Nope. Everything Obama has done, good and bad, in support of and against campaign promises, was done out of pragmatism and an honorable attempt to not supersede Congress to achieve his goals like Bush did. He's not history's most effective president, but he damn sure isn't near the worst. To blame the political problems of the country solely on the POTUS when there are other legislative bodies involved and unforeseeable circumstances and variables (many attributable to his predecessors) requiring a compromising response, is to completely lack an objective view of the situation. IMO, Obama will go down as history's hardest working president, as there are very few who have had to deal with the political problems he has, on both a national and international level.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Democratic supporters did not say there were no OLD weapons stockpiles at all.

correct. the case for war was that saddam was creating new wmd's. everyone knew he had old wmd's because he used them on the kurds quite brazenly.

also, this is not news but rehashing of old tired tactics, not only in the media but on kmc as well.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=409400&highlight=wmd+found