Originally posted by Sinious
He can survive Luke for a short period of time.
Can he? Why do you say this?
Malgus will be dead by the time Vitiate unleashes the lightning.
Oh, so he's just charging his lightning discreetly in the background while Luke kills his partner, ok, like, this obviously isn't a tactic that Luke has ever encountered before or could possibly think of a solution for. Like, he couldn't fling Malgus's corpse at him and then follow through with his saber, or just fold space his saber at him, or just do anything that doesn't involve him doing exactly what you want him to do for your schemes to work out.
lol @ this. Vitiate faced great combatants who are mastered duelists before. Lacking lightsaber feats(even though he fought HoT properly while weakened) didnt stop him from defeating them.
Because he was so much more powerful than everybody else in his era that it never got down to a lightsaber duel.
Luke is more powerful than those he faced so he can't defeat Luke but its lolworthy to think Vitiate would go down in seconds.
How is it lolworthy when Vitiate's only chance of survival is keeping Skywalker at a distance? Just how is he going to do that exactly?
There is no context here so there won't be any inner fighting.
There is no context here so you can't just throw out that the side known for being treacherous will "work together" while the two Jedi presumably do not.
Vitiate can amp people pretty well
Yes, he can, but no precedent suggests he can amp people and defend himself simultaneously.
They will have the advantage in numbers which would work well for them in an areal offense.
That's one way to look at things. Another way to look at it is Luke can quickly kill the duo whichever way you slice things.
Once Yoda is dead, Vitiate and Malgus join Sidious and kill Luke too.
Oh, yeah, because Malgus has plenty of expertise dueling a 3 foot midget.
Ironically, the team with numbers on their side seems to be on an overall disadvantage.
Vitiate gets saber raped by either Yoda or Luke to the point it's not even funny 😬
Force-wise with no amp/prer Vitiate is heavily hampered and should not be able to stand up to Yoda or [Dooku]stars help him[/Dooku] to Luke.
lol@ Malgus tanking Luke.
Luke can take and win comfortably against Malgus/Vitiate duo while Yoda holds off Sidious for a while. Then it's 2v1 and Jedi win.
Originally posted by Skybreaker
Can he? Why do you say this?Oh, so he's just charging his lightning discreetly in the background while Luke kills his partner, ok, like, this obviously isn't a tactic that Luke has ever encountered before or could possibly think of a solution for. Like, he couldn't fling Malgus's corpse at him and then follow through with his saber, or just fold space his saber at him, or just do anything that doesn't involve him doing exactly what you want him to do for your schemes to work out.
All I mean is that Malgus may be weaker than everyone else here but he isnt a weakling you can randomly one-shot. Luke is more powerful true but his style of fighting isnt good for taking down enemies brutally. He like most jedi has a more peaceful approach on these confrontations. He could even keep it defensive at first.Vitiate was able to charge an incredibly powerful FLS before the strike team could walk up to him and they weren't far at all. With Malgus distracting Luke for a short while, Vitiate can most likely provide an even stronger offense for the sith team.
And do you think that the advantage in numbers has no meaning here cause Luke is smart?
Because he was so much more powerful than everybody else in his era that it never got down to a lightsaber duel.
BS. He was the most powerful but you make it sound like every other TOR character is just weak or average.
How is it lolworthy when Vitiate's only chance of survival is keeping Skywalker at a distance? Just how is he going to do that exactly?
Its not an instant game over for Vitiate when it coms to melee combat and having a beast like Malgus surely will pay off. Also, the TOR duo's job is to keep up with Luke until Sidious kills Yoda, not defeat him completely and at least surviving Luke is not an unrealistic scenario.
There is no context here so you can't just throw out that the side known for being treacherous will "work together" while the two Jedi presumably do not.
That is not how versus match-ups work here. 😬
Every time a sith team fights a jedi team, someone would bring that argument up and the sith would lose automatically. Does that make any sense to you?
Yes, he can, but no precedent suggests he can amp people and defend himself simultaneously.
Its like he never multi-tasked in fights before that you find the courage to claim that. He'd probably go for a TP attack instead though even if it would only keep the enemies' minds busy/troubled to give Sidious an advantage.
Another thing is, sith like Sidious and Vitiate can combine attacks together. Sith have a more aggressive and destructive style of fighting and top tier sith who also mastered sorcery could achieve greater power together and again, having a tank like Malgus is a great addition to the team.
That's one way to look at things. Another way to look at it is Luke can quickly kill the duo whichever way you slice things.
I'm curious, how many Vitiates do you think it would take to prevent him from getting slaughtered by Luke's lightsaber?
Oh, yeah, because Malgus has plenty of expertise dueling a 3 foot midget.
Not sure if you're serious but this is probably the worst argument I've ever heard of about a fight with Yoda in it. 😄
Originally posted by Sinious
All I mean is that Malgus may be weaker than everyone else here but he isnt a weakling you can randomly one-shot.
One-shot? No, but he's weak enough to not really be consequential, or dangerous for anything but a cheap shot. More importantly, if Luke wants to get to Vitiate, he's getting to Vitiate, and Malgus force pushing him or standing in his way isn't going to meaningfully stop him.
Luke is more powerful true but his style of fighting isnt good for taking down enemies brutally. He like most jedi has a more peaceful approach on these confrontations. He could even keep it defensive at first.
You see, this is actually something that you're missing; the instant he sees Palpatine, Luke Skywalker is not going to be holding back. Skywalker plays up and down to the competition, and seeing who he considers the one sith that he never thought could be redeemed, and the most dangerous foe he's ever faced, throws all the ridiculous CIS that typically hangs with him out the window.
Vitiate was able to charge an incredibly powerful FLS before the strike team could walk up to him and they weren't far at all.
I would be more interested in the time it took them to reach him than the distance between them.
With Malgus distracting Luke for a short while, Vitiate can most likely provide an even stronger offense for the sith team.
But again, Luke isn't going to go after Malgus, he's going to go after Vitiate, and Malgus isn't going to be fast enough or powerful enough to stop him. Think back to his fight against Zen Zallow; the two combatants switch their orientations multiple times during the duel, and at any moment Luke could have direct pathway to Vitiate.
And do you think that the advantage in numbers has no meaning here cause Luke is smart?
No, it's cause I do not at all buy that Malgus is going to be able to prevent Luke from closing the distance against Vitiate.
BS. He was the most powerful but you make it sound like every other TOR character is just weak or average.
Compared to Vitiate, they were weaklings, particularly when the Emperor has time to prepare on his nexus.
Its not an instant game over for Vitiate when it coms to melee combat
Except that it kind of is, because his only saber feat is getting disarmed by a poorly thought out saber throw from Meetra that could have killed him had she aimed for his body. That doesn't paint his abilities in a very flattering light.
and having a beast like Malgus surely will pay off.
2 vs 1 against Luke in sabers, Malgus is better off if Vitiate isn't there.
Also, the TOR duo's job is to keep up with Luke until Sidious kills Yoda, not defeat him completely and at least surviving Luke is not an unrealistic scenario.
There isn't even guarantee that Sidious could defeat Yoda at all, and should he do so it will last far longer than the 2 v 1 fight, whichever way either goes.
That is not how versus match-ups work here. 😬
Every time a sith team fights a jedi team, someone would bring that argument up and the sith would lose automatically. Does that make any sense to you?
Its like he never multi-tasked in fights before that you find the courage to claim that. He'd probably go for a TP attack instead though even if it would only keep the enemies' minds busy/troubled to give Sidious an advantage.
Another thing is, sith like Sidious and Vitiate can combine attacks together. Sith have a more aggressive and destructive style of fighting and top tier sith who also mastered sorcery could achieve greater power together and again, having a tank like Malgus is a great addition to the team.
I'm curious, how many Vitiates do you think it would take to prevent him from getting slaughtered by Luke's lightsaber?
Not sure if you're serious but this is probably the worst argument I've ever heard of about a fight with Yoda in it. 😄 [/B][/QUOTE]