Originally posted by AncientPower
About an equal as a duelist.Stomps with the Force.
And what Force feats has he got that so greatly surpass collapsing a massive tunnel or pulling a shuttle off a cliff?
Kun is a Niman master, with obviously high skill in Djem So and he is a powerhouse with Dark Rage.
His Force feats make Maul look like a child in comparison: Freezing lightsabers, offensively transferring essences, is stated by Kyp himself to dwarf Kyp's own power by JA by a massive magnitude. Pulled the Suncrusher out of Yavin Prime right before taking Luke out.
I can go on and on but when Kun as a spirit(I.E not his full strength, as confirmed by Baas) is pulling off top tier force feats, then full body Kun is damn scary.
Kun's ego holds him back but all-out Kun is outright ludicrous.
Kun is a Niman master, with obviously high skill in Djem So and he is a powerhouse with Dark Rage.
His Force feats make Maul look like a child in comparison: Freezing lightsabers, offensively transferring essences, is stated by Kyp himself to dwarf Kyp's own power by JA by a massive magnitude. Pulled the Suncrusher out of Yavin Prime right before taking Luke out.I can go on and on but when Kun as a spirit(I.E not his full strength, as confirmed by Baas) is pulling off top tier force feats, then full body Kun is damn scary.
Kun's ego holds him back but all-out Kun is outright ludicrous.
He is the niman poster boy and was beating the likes of Vodo, a master of Form V with centuries of experience. Not to mention stalemated the best Jedi lightsaber duelist in the Jedi Order at the time, Ulic Qel-Droma.
Because he prefers to out-duel his opponents, something he clearly cannot do as a spirit. But yes Baas confirms that Kun will be more powerful in human form, Kun's end-game objective.
Physical form or spirit form does not matter because these are all techniques he knows regardless.
He is the niman poster boy and was beating the likes of Vodo, a master of Form V with centuries of experience. Not to mention stalemated the best Jedi lightsaber duelist in the Jedi Order at the time, Ulic Qel-Droma.
Maul, with a leg injury, rapidly began defeating Qui-Gon Jinn within a short period of time during their duel on Tattooine. As far as accolades go Jinn and Baas are roughly as skilled as each other. Maul then goes on to fight him and Kenobi (who at this point wasn't far behind Jinn as a duelist) simultaneously. He was stated as being more than Jinn's equal in terms of skill, from Anakin's perception Maul appeared to be more skilled than the pair of them collectively, and Maul was anticipating their attacks "with ease" according to two depictions of the fight. He's been listed by numerous sources as being one of the most skilled, highly trained and lethal Sith Warriors in the history of the Order. He's a better duelist than Kun, by a tier or so, and Kun is lacking physically on top of that.
Because he prefers to out-duel his opponents, something he clearly cannot do as a spirit. But yes Baas confirms that Kun will be more powerful in human form, Kun's end-game objective.
Exar doesn't have a chance to use most of the Force techniques he knows as they require either an external power source or prep or both.
Originally posted by ILS
[B]He beat Vodo the first time because he surprised him with his Saberstaff, and stalemating Qel-Droma only serves to prove that Maul is a superior duelist.
He beat Vodo the first time because he used two lightsabers and broke through his wooden staff(stated to be stronger than Kun's own lightsaber blade).
Then defeated Vodo a second time the moment he realized Vodo wasn't joining him.
It is stated in the sourcebooks that Vodo never stood a chance against Kun, regardless of the circumstances.
Ulic Qel-Droma was a master lightsaber duellist with considerable skill, let's not forget that even without the Force, he defeated an enraged Sylvar, a huge dueling feat when you realize what that entails.
Not to mention he got a lot better in the two years after that.
Originally posted by ILS Maul, with a leg injury, rapidly began defeating Qui-Gon Jinn within a short period of time during their duel on Tattooine. As far as accolades go Jinn and Baas are roughly as skilled as each other. Maul then goes on to fight him and Kenobi (who at this point wasn't far behind Jinn as a duelist) simultaneously. He was stated as being more than Jinn's equal in terms of skill, from Anakin's perception Maul appeared to be more skilled than the pair of them collectively, and Maul was anticipating their attacks "with ease" according to two depictions of the fight. He's been listed by numerous sources as being one of the most skilled, highly trained and lethal Sith Warriors in the history of the Order. He's a better duelist than Kun, by a tier or so, and Kun is lacking physically on top of that.
He pioneered saberstaff combat and completely hybridized his form into something unique, something very rarely done in the lore.
Originally posted by ILS So his human form with all of his cool Spirit powers never ended up existing? Meaning we'd need to either use his TOR self or Spirit version? Either one suits me.
Let us not forget that Kun has two mass Force Drain feats and evidently shrugs off Sever Force attacks from even the most powerful Jedi Master of his time.
Originally posted by ILS This sounds far more familiar.
Only because people are fairly ignorant of Kun's sourcebook statements.
Originally posted by ILS
Not really. Kun is comparable but not equal.
Kun's feats with a blade are superior to Maul's. While it's difficult to compare their dueling opponents across eras, Exar Kun practically invented the double bladed saber, something that nobody in the past several thousand years before him had pulled off. Darth Maul may be a prodigy with the blade, but Exar Kun reinvented the field.
And Maul has better physical feats than him all around.
Yes, but I question the relevance of this.
And what Force feats has he got that so greatly surpass collapsing a massive tunnel or pulling a shuttle off a cliff?
In addition to what has already been provided, KJA described Exar Kun as the most powerful of the sith lords he created; that is, he is more powerful than Ragnos or the others, and can claim their non-unique feats by powerscaling.
I would turn this question around and ask, what has Darth Maul done in the Force exactly that is so impressive?
*sigh @skybreaker you need to shut **** up about Darth Maul. You are like joke.
Kun doesn't have any TK feats to compare with Maul.
Only sorcery feats. Which makes them equal at best. Maul can handle Kun's kinetic strength easily, and wins via skill edge.