Originally posted by carver9
Huh? Sentry wanting to be put out? The opposite happened. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. Also, Hulk allowed Sentry to hit him in the beginning as well.
Sentry told Hulk more then once that he wasn't able to stop himself.
And thanked him just before he collapsed.
Originally posted by Stoic
There is still no proof that it would work. They would have to be able to wrestle him down from what has made him this angry in the first place. Xavier, and Emma were unable to do so. There is no proof that this avenue of attack will work. You should move onto something that you can prove, or should we get a Mod ruling on this? Say what you will, but there is more proof that he would not be taken out by TP than the possibility of them actually succeeding, and then there is the fact that he can hit anything on the battlefield to end this before it ever begins as well.This circular BS going on is just a waste of time. So Mod ruling on this?
Nice try! But it isn't just the TP's at work here. It's a lot more.
Based on the destructive yield that the Hulk at this level could put out by indirectly hitting an object, and affecting a large area, 95% of this team does not have the durability to survive WB Hulk punching the ground with all of his might.
God Cable = Dead
Apocalypse = Dead
Regular Nate Grey = Dead
Juggernaut = Hurled away
Magneto = Dead
Jean Grey = Dead
Charles Xavier = Dead
Iceman = Dispersed
Wolverine (Just to be there) = Dead
Bishop = Dead
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I find this assesment of God Cable to be low.
Prove that he was on Thanos' level. There is more to a character than projection. What about durability, and actual strength. Show me something to prove that Cable has ever been able to survive the amount of power that WB Hulk can put out.
Originally posted by Stoic
Finally someone that actually has something to say that actually happened in a comic. The problem here is that even with the added help, the Hulk would be at a far higher level of rage in this instance, and it was rage that allowed him to deny Xavier, and Emma from stopping him. his rage is a direct statement of his strength, and when he was at his WB Hulk levels, he was several orders of magnitude more powerful than he was when Xavier, and Emma attempted their TP assault. There is more evidence to suggest that he would push them out of his mind, and that they would suffer a backlash, than them actually being successful at taking him down. This is something that i shouldn't even have to explain.
I would like to add, Emma and Xavier didn't attack together. Her later statement was ambiguous, but she probably tried on her own during the fight.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Cool. I just wanted the possibility acknowledged. I don't see it as a surefire thing either.I would like to add, Emma and Xavier didn't attack together. Her later statement was ambiguous, but she probably tried on her own during the fight.
Emma and Charles were in it together within the same time frame. What you seem to suggest is some sort of Psionic gestalt that would occur between 4 TP's that have never worked together in order to pull something like a Uni mind assault on the Hulk. This is something that would also take precious time that they would not have (PIS is off here). The Hulk on the other hand only needs to punch the ground with all of his might, and we saw the effects that have happened when he did something similar to this. Only Cain has the durability to survive this, based on his monstrous durability. the rest of these fleshy characters would be destroyed by forces that exceed several nukes going off at once. Again PIS is off, and they don't have the luxury of pulling a DBZ spirit bomb technique, while the Hulk stands there waiting for them to launch their best attack.
He's simply above them in areas that actually count, and that he can use to end this faster than it begins.
Originally posted by Stoic
Emma and Charles were in it together within the same time frame. What you seem to suggest is some sort of Psionic gestalt that would occur between 4 TP's that have never worked together in order to pull something like a Uni mind assault on the Hulk. This is something that would also take precious time that they would not have (PIS is off here). The Hulk on the other hand only needs to punch the ground with all of his might, and we saw the effects that have happened when he did something similar to this. Only Cain has the durability to survive this, based on his monstrous durability. the rest of these fleshy characters would be destroyed by forces that exceed several nukes going off at once. Again PIS is off, and they don't have the luxury of pulling a DBZ spirit bomb technique, while the Hulk stands there waiting for them to launch their best attack.He's simply above them in areas that actually count, and that he can use to end this faster than it begins.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Couldn't Charles just negate brain functions instead of trying to control him. Seems like a better tactic
That's pretty much what he did try, but he was unable to get around the anguish, and rage that the Hulk was going through. Being a TP also makes them all sensitive to this type of stimuli. On the physical front they don't have the juice to affect him. Only Cain has the durability feats to survive the first few seconds as I mentioned before. With PIS turned off by default, he only has to punch the ground, and BOOM it's over for anyone unable to tank a planetary explosion. I would have included Magneto into the couple of people that may survive, but he does not possess any precognitive powers to enable him to put up a barrier in time. Even if he did, we are talking about forces above planetary strength.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Couldn't Charles just negate brain functions instead of trying to control him. Seems like a better tactic
Originally posted by Stoic
That's pretty much what he did try,
Originally posted by Stoic
Emma and Charles were in it together within the same time frame.What you seem to suggest is some sort of Psionic gestalt that would occur between 4 TP's that have never worked together in order to pull something like a Uni mind assault on the Hulk. This is something that would also take precious time that they would not have (PIS is off here). The Hulk on the other hand only needs to punch the ground with all of his might, and we saw the effects that have happened when he did something similar to this. Only Cain has the durability to survive this, based on his monstrous durability. the rest of these fleshy characters would be destroyed by forces that exceed several nukes going off at once. Again PIS is off, and they don't have the luxury of pulling a DBZ spirit bomb technique, while the Hulk stands there waiting for them to launch their best attack.
He's simply above them in areas that actually count, and that he can use to end this faster than it begins.
I thought we were on the same page earlier, which is I was dropping it, then you added this stuff. Some of them have worked together before, but they wouldn't need to merge minds regardless. The four of them blasting him at the same time is totally fine. Also, Hulk isn't a speedster. This is no PIS, so the telepaths will probably get the first attack off.
I mean, if you don't think it will work, I'm fine with that. But some of those last things you said aren't true. Unless I just really misunderstood you.