What do you want to debate exactly? All I was ever getting at is that the average Force User isn't going to just crumple Boba into a little paper ball or whatever. Him and Jango's shtick is being able to contend in a galaxy of beings where they are out of their depth and get by on a combination of technology and skill.
You say any random Jedi can just ragdoll Boba. I disagree. For one, it comes down to the individual. Savage Opress for example is immensely powerful (relatively speaking), but you'll notice that just prior to Maul's duel with Viszla, Savage was pouring a fair bit of concentration into simply levitating a Mandalorian. He's powerful, but it required focus for him to ragdoll one guard.
I'm not saying Boba is immune to telekinesis, because he's obviously not, but when you take what I said above and add it to the fact Boba is incredibly versatile and accurate, he's no easy target to take down. He can voice activate weapons like his jetpack missile, which would be ideal for getting out of a Force choke. He has a sonic emitter which he can use to disorientate a Jedi at close range, allowing him to create distance, as well as two flame projectors, nerve darts and a wrist-laster. His accuracy isn't shabby either, because it's literally "built into" his genetics - and he shares genetics with a guy who killed numerous Jedi at the battle of Geonosis, killed Komari Vosa on open ground, and has other impressive sniper feats. Boba himself isn't shabby, he regularly disarms opponents by shooting their blasters out of their hands or non-lethally incapacitates them, even out-drawing multiple shooters at once, and he gives Force sensitives some level of challenge consistently.
Originally posted by ILS
What do you want to debate exactly? All I was ever getting at is that the average Force User isn't going to just crumple Boba into a little paper ball or whatever.
Except your average trained Force user will, assuming that your average trained Force user can move a 75 kilogram human. You just don't understand just how little force it takes for someone to pin your limbs; humans are not that strong. Every Jedi we've ever seen can summon far more force through the Force than your strongest human could deadlifting.
Him and Jango's shtick is being able to contend in a galaxy of beings where they are out of their depth and get by on a combination of technology and skill.
Yes, I'm well aware of their shtick. I'm pointing out to you that their shtick is f*cking stupid, because having precognition and an instantaneous telekinesis gives you the ability to kill any individual non-force user at your leisure in any remotely "fair" circumstance. I'm fine with non-force sensitives taking on force users; I'd even welcome it. But they must do so with more clever tactics than literally facing them in 1 vs 1 combat. Tales of Jango Fett taking on Jedi and killing them with his bare hands are what f*cking don't make any sense, when you consider the observation that Jedi have the precog-enhanced reflexes to deflect blaster bolts, and yet apparently can't defeat a regular human in a brawl.
You say any random Jedi can just ragdoll Boba. I disagree. For one, it comes down to the individual. Savage Opress for example is immensely powerful (relatively speaking), but you'll notice that just prior to Maul's duel with Viszla, Savage was pouring a fair bit of concentration into simply levitating a Mandalorian. He's powerful, but it required focus for him to ragdoll one guard.
How much force does it take to rip a blaster out of a human's hands? Any trained Jedi could muster that level of TK. How much force does it take to crush someone's knees? Any trained Jedi could muster that level of TK. What level of reflexes does it take to be unassailable in h2h? Certainly less than the reflexes it takes to deflect blaster fire.
Accept it: the ability to move objects with your mind and see things before they happen makes you unbeatable against a conventional foe in a 1 vs 1 confrontation. TK is instantaneous, and Jedi can literally pull it off before Fett even thinks to draw his blaster. That's what having supernatural abilities gives you.
I'm not saying Boba is immune to telekinesis, because he's obviously not, but when you take what I said above and add it to the fact Boba is incredibly versatile and accurate,
Irrelevant. Being "versatile" doesn't mean sh*t unless he has an anti-TK device. Being "accurate" doesn't mean sh*t unless he has the quick-draw ability to out-draw someone who can react to things before they happen.
he's no easy target to take down. He can voice activate weapons like his jetpack missile,
Don't be a moron. Voice activation takes infinitely longer than thinking, which is the requirement to rip Fett's eyeballs out. The human body is incredibly fragile, and so being able to apply force to it without any defense mechanism is an insta-win.
which would be ideal for getting out of a Force choke.
No, it wouldn't. Try using voice activation with your trachea being crushed. Pretend that a Force choke is not more like a Force crush, because it doesn't take much force at all to crush a trachea, far less than it takes to do any of the things Jedi regularly do.
He has a sonic emitter which he can use to disorientate a Jedi at close range, allowing him to create distance, as well as two flame projectors, nerve darts and a wrist-laster.
The point clearly sails over your feeble-minded head; none of these gadgets can be fired faster than the speed of thought.
His accuracy isn't shabby either, because it's literally "built into" his genetics - and he shares genetics with a guy who killed numerous Jedi at the battle of Geonosis, killed Komari Vosa on open ground, and has other impressive sniper feats.
Irrelevant. Jedi can deflect blaster bolts because they see things before they happen; you can be 100% accurate and it won't matter, because the Jedi will just deflect the bolt back at you, and you can deflect them back.
Boba himself isn't shabby, he regularly disarms opponents by shooting their blasters out of their hands or non-lethally incapacitates them, even out-drawing multiple shooters at once, and he gives Force sensitives some level of challenge consistently.
Wow, you're a joke. You defend the realism of the Fett's taking down Force sensitives...by pointing out that they've defeated Force sensitives? 😆
Circular reasoning is something that many politicians do to bluff their way through debates; I've a feeling that you're actually doing it because you think it's a legitimate argument.
"Don't be a moron."
"The point clearly sails over your feeble-minded head."
"Wow, you're a joke."
See - this is where my apathy is coming from. You want to promote intelligent discussion, stop acting like such an adolescent. I've been taking the piss out of your hormonal reactions and desperate search for validation through insults and ridicule, but that last post of mine was actually an attempt at finding some common ground with you. Apparently that upsets you, so have fun doing your thing.
And no, that wasn't ad hominem. That was me failing to give a shit about anything you have to say or being "right" in a debate. If I had enough energy to waste debating you, I might, if I didn't catch ebola from your nonsense first.
Originally posted by ILS
"Don't be a moron."
"The point clearly sails over your feeble-minded head."
"Wow, you're a joke."See - this is where my apathy is coming from. You want to promote intelligent discussion, stop acting like such an adolescent. I've been taking the piss out of your hormonal reactions and desperate search for validation through insults and ridicule, but that last post of mine was actually an attempt at finding some common ground with you. Apparently that upsets you, so have fun doing your thing.
And no, that wasn't ad hominem. That was me failing to give a shit about anything you have to say or being "right" in a debate. If I had enough energy to waste debating you, I might, if I didn't catch ebola from your nonsense first.
Do you seriously think not-acting like an adolescent involves quitting whenever someone lobs an insult at you? 🙄
If you don't want to be called out for being an idiot, try to wisen up and not make momentously idiotic statements such as "it's realistic for Fett to stand a chance against force sensisitives...because he's stood against force sensitives before". Idiotic illogic like this lowers the quality of discussion for everyone, far moreso than a half-sentence insult sporadically inserted in actually substantive arguments that you decide to ignore to your own benefit.
But I do love that you yourself have, on multiple occasions, insulted myself and others on your own volition, but you obviously think it's OK because you're more passive-aggressive about it and don't directly call someone an idiot. It's the height of immaturity on your part that you clearly think insults somehow denote immaturity (as though political correctness were a measuring stick for maturity 🙄 ) but fail to recognize your own warning signs:
1. You cherry pick insults that make up 5% of a post as an excuse to ignore the 95% of the post that you have absolutely no substantive argument to provide against.
2. You frequently resort to ridiculous sarcastic trolling in place of actual argumentation, but apparently this isn't as bad as calling someone an idiot, even though it is far more detrimental to intelligent discussion.
3. When things don't go your way, you flee from the actual debate and then find any excuse to play the victim and declare the debate over because the other person "isn't worth your time", because he insulted you (even if you'd been insulting him), or by simply resorting to your sarcastic trolling.
All of these problems actually take away from intelligent debate. Saying "don't be an idiot" or whatever every paragraph or two does not. Again: you are pathetic, because you try to compensate for your intellectual failures by trying to play manner police. It's pretty f*cking hilarious.
^yeah, you're the one to resort to being a smartass over substantive defenses of your position.
Face it: trolling an entire thread by talking about Mace Windu's master papercut abilities is far more childish and detrimental to intelligent debate than occasionally calling someone an idiot for using circular logic. The latter is just a compliment to the substantive arguments; the former is used as a substitute. You can play manners police all you want and pretend that you're being "mature"; we all know you can't actually defend yourself in a real debate.
Originally posted by Skybreaker
If you don't want to be called out for being an idiot, try to wisen up and not make momentously idiotic statements such as "it's realistic for Fett to stand a chance against force sensisitives...because he's stood against force sensitives before". Idiotic illogic like this lowers the quality of discussion for everyone, far moreso than a half-sentence insult sporadically inserted in actually substantive arguments that you decide to ignore to your own benefit.
thats not idiotic tho its true
That obviously works both ways, given you made an entire post dedicated to referencing my "hormonal reactions" and need to validate myself. The hypocrisy in trying to pull the above should have been evident to you before you hit the "submit" button. Do you see, now, why I feel the need to call you an idiot?
(the difference, of course, is that my point is just assuming that you're thinking what you're posting, since you obviously stated that you do not think my insults are "mature", but presumably think that your passive-aggressiveness is; my assumption is therefore just a simple deduction from your own assertions. Your nonsense about hormonal reactions was just an excuse to not actually debate the subject matter).
You're obviously pretty upset about something, the "hormonal" part was for comedic value. And I would assume that going to these psychotic lengths to beat a stranger in a debate is some way for you to validate yourself, which is different from you literally sitting there putting words in my mouth and typing paragraphs about points I'm not even interested in debating in the first place.
Why am I still talking to you anyway lol? Ought to slap myself for wasting so much time on your hissy fits.
Originally posted by ILS
You're obviously pretty upset about something, the "hormonal" part was for comedic value.
The problem is, your "comedic" parts were presented as your actual arguments. You had nothing of substance. You're concerned with smartass replies that sound nice rhetorically; you are not concerned with actual presenting a decent argument. If you were, you wouldn't have cherry picked 5% of my post as an excuse to dismiss the other 95%, and then proudly declared yourself the moral victor, as though it were OK for you to hurl insults so long as you did it vaguely.
And I would assume that going to these psychotic lengths to beat a stranger in a debate is some way for you to validate yourself,
Don't act as though this weren't reciprocated, or as if it takes me "psychotic lengths" to type 90 second posts.
which is different from you literally sitting there putting words in my mouth and typing paragraphs about points I'm not even interested in debating in the first place.
😆 You decided to reply to my point about force sensitives being nerfed against the Fetts, and now you're claiming that you're not interested in debating them?
That's your problem; you don't address my arguments point-by-point, you frequently drop arguments or mishaps and push them to the side, and you focus on trying to make attacks on my mental state rather than debating the actual subject matter. All this from your apparent inability to handle a few insults.