Bane and Zannah vs. Jedi Strike team

Originally posted by Nephthys
You had a point? Bane disintegrated 2 people and turned a Drexyl into a charred husk with one hand, a decade before the end of RoT and with only 2 orbalisks. Anakin isn't even blocking that, let alone Bane's two handed peak lightning. 😬

It doesn't compare.

My durasteel feat wasn't a red herring. Even Anakin by AotC can rip bolted durasteel machinery just with his telekinesis. Let's not pretend that disintegrating humans is abnormally impressive or difficult to defend against.

What do you mean by effectively?

As in, to an extent that would be effective in this confrontation. Especially given that any moment's weakness will result in Zannah's death to several lightsaber strikes.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
My durasteel feat wasn't a red herring. Even Anakin by AotC can rip bolted durasteel machinery just with his telekinesis. Let's not pretend that disintegrating humans is abnormally impressive or difficult to defend against.

Well it definitely is, but Bane disintegrated droids so your point is without merit even there.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
As in, to an extent that would be effective in this confrontation. Especially given that any moment's weakness will result in Zannah's death to several lightsaber strikes.

I don't really know what you're asking me. If you want to know about Zannah's mental abilities there are lots of threads where they're discussed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well it definitely is, but Bane disintegrated droids so your point is without merit even there.

Please elaborate on his disintegrating droids. Is that more impressive than crushing them? Who can say? It certainly isn't more than what Anakin can handle, if his own stock TK can produce comparable levels of damage.

Mind you, I'd say Dooku's disarming three nightsisters with his FL is more impressive than disintegrating some humans or droids.

I don't really know what you're asking me. If you want to know about Zannah's mental abilities there are lots of threads where they're discussed.

I'm just asking you to clarify exactly what you think Zannah can do with her sorcery, given that she has to contend with multiple duelists at the same time.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
1. Vader/Anakin always goes unnaturally powerful when he is thinking about Padme and Sidious just told him that he had killed her in his anger.

Originally posted by Stigma
Here she's taken hostage by the very Sith Anakin is after. He will be thinking about her. A lot.

Jesus, I didn't notice that detail. Anakin solos.

Bane and Zannah die instantly and burn up in the furnace heart.

To spice things up, Bane and Zannah capture Padme and barricade themsleves in the throne room.

Anakin solo shitstomps.

Oh please, Padme's been in danger before without Anakin godmoding.

In danger to this magnitude, and to two DLOTS?

Zonakin trollstomps.

Uh, yeah. She isn't even in immediate danger, they just kidnapped her.

No.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Please elaborate on his disintegrating droids. Is that more impressive than crushing them? Who can say? It certainly isn't more than what Anakin can handle, if his own stock TK can produce comparable levels of damage.

Mind you, I'd say Dooku's disarming three nightsisters with his FL is more impressive than disintegrating some humans or droids.

He's fighting technobeasts, he raises his hand and disintegrates a dozen of them. And yes, it's much more impressive than crushing them, he's shredding to millions of pieces. It's a level of destruction a fair few levels beyond merely crushing them. It certainly is more than Anakin can handle.

No, it isn't.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
I'm just asking you to clarify exactly what you think Zannah can do with her sorcery, given that she has to contend with multiple duelists at the same time.

She can likely send any of these guys into coma's or drive them insane with her spell. Basically she'll rip their minds apart. She can do this with a thought and gesture.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, yeah. She isn't even in immediate danger, they just kidnapped her.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what Anakin's going to think when he sees two sith lords kidnapping his wife.

Anakin shitstomps.

No.

He's fighting technobeasts,

??? Technobeasts? I do not recall this part. WTF are these technobeasts?

It certainly is more than Anakin can handle.

Anakin in No Prisoners holds back an actual storm of that magnitude with the Force, and Padme wasn't being kidnapped. Anakin has also collapsed buildings; I think that's of comparable power; but in either effect, you should know that just deflecting lightning with your lightsaber long enough for one of your teammates to gut Bane is not equivalent to having to actually match it in power.

No, it isn't.

Given that he was taking on actual Force users rather than beasts or random thugs.

She can likely send any of these guys into coma's or drive them insane with her spell. Basically she'll rip their minds apart. She can do this with a thought and gesture.

Except you need to prove that she can do this.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, yeah. She isn't even in immediate danger, they just kidnapped her.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They just kidnapped her.

Originally posted by Nephthys
just kidnapped her.

Originally posted by Nephthys
just kidnapped

^seriously, Bane and Zannah are going to die very painful deaths.

And let's not pretend it willl be Bane vs. only Anakin.
There are 3 more Jedi here. More likely than not Bane and Zannah are going to fight 1v2 fights.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what Anakin's going to think when he sees two sith lords kidnapping his wife.

Anakin shitstomps.

Again, Padme's been in danger and Anakin hasn't gone godmode. It's not really going to matter. It might actually make him more vulnerable to Zannah's mental attack if she's there in person, get him to believe the illusions of her dying more.

No, Anakin gets shitstomped.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
??? Technobeasts? I do not recall this part. WTF are these technobeasts?

Cyborgs made out of metal and flesh and powered by the force I think? But the flesh had rotted away by that point so they were just metal.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Anakin in No Prisoners holds back an actual storm of that magnitude with the Force, and Padme wasn't being kidnapped. Anakin has also collapsed buildings; I think that's of comparable power; but in either effect, you should know that just deflecting lightning with your lightsaber long enough for one of your teammates to gut Bane is not equivalent to having to actually match it in power.

I don't know what you're referring to here. He held back a storm of disintegration? I highly doubt that.

Bane collapsed the Lehon Temple. Anakin collapsing a damaged roof involuntarily doesn't mean shit. And no, it's still not comparable to disintegrating a dozen metal opponents with a wave of your hand. Not close.

How can you gut Bane when he's wearing orbalisk armor? 😬

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Given that he was taking on actual Force users rather than beasts or random thugs.

Lmao. No, Bane's feat is still well better than his. And his lightning is greatly more powerful. Dooku had to attack them when their defenses were down, so them being force users doesn't really matter much.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Except you need to prove that she can do this.

Her mental attack almost defeated Bane, who's willpower is far far greater than these guys. Raskta will likely die if either of these two attack her with the Force and we know Depa is susceptible to mental influence. Anakin obviously is massively mentally unbalanced and easily mindpwned. Shaak Ti is the strongest in terms of mental/Force power combo but still insufficient to resist.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, Padme's been in danger and Anakin hasn't gone godmode.

Please point me to instances where Padme has been kidnapped by sith lords.

It's not really going to matter. It might actually make him more vulnerable to Zannah's mental attack if she's there in person, get him to believe the illusions of her dying more.

Focused rage Anakin is unstoppable. If he still has a clear goal (ie, rescue Padme), he'll godstomp.

No, Anakin gets shitstomped.

No, Anakin is "the strongest" and "the fastest" Jedi "maybe of any generation". 😉

Cyborgs made out of metal and flesh and powered by the force I think? But the flesh had rotted away by that point so they were just metal.

Somehow doesn't seem like they're as durable as 20 BBY droids and durasteel rooms, but OK. You still seem to imply that Anakin has to be able to match Bane's power to deflect his FL with his lightsaber, when really he just needs to stand his ground and hold onto his lightsaber. AotC Obi Wan casually does this against Dooku's FL.

I don't know what you're referring to here. He held back a storm of disintegration? I highly doubt that.

You would be wrong, but I don't have the book with me so whtv.

Bane collapsed the Lehon Temple. Anakin collapsing a damaged roof involuntarily doesn't mean shit. And no, it's still not comparable to disintegrating a dozen metal opponents with a wave of your hand. Not close.

It doesn't have to be comparable. Anakin just has to block it with his lightsaber long enough for someone to lunge in and cut Bane's head off.

How can you gut Bane when he's wearing orbalisk armor? 😬

Fine, spew his brains out. Same thing.

Lmao. No, Bane's feat is still well better than his. And his lightning is greatly more powerful. Dooku had to attack them when their defenses were down, so them being force users doesn't really matter much.

The difference is, Zonakin's power was enough to literally make Dooku's strength in the Force irrelevant. He's certainly capable of standing his ground long enough for Bane to lose his head.

Her mental attack almost defeated Bane, who's willpower is far far greater than these guys.

Nexus doe

Raskta will likely die if either of these two attack her with the Force and we know Depa is susceptible to mental influence. Anakin obviously is massively mentally unbalanced and easily mindpwned. Shaak Ti is the strongest in terms of mental/Force power combo but still insufficient to resist.

It's OK, this is Zonakin, Zonakin solos. 💃

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Please point me to instances where Padme has been kidnapped by sith lords.

AotC.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Focused rage Anakin is unstoppable. If he still has a clear goal (ie, rescue Padme), he'll godstomp.

Lmao @ that Anakin wank.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
No, Anakin is "the strongest" and "the fastest" Jedi "maybe of any generation". 😉

Oh, he's faster than Yoda!? That changes everything!

Not. Obvious hyperbole is obvious. Please keep the Anakin wanking to a minimum. That Anakin is faster than any of the Jedi in his generation doesn't mean he can handle Orbalisk Bane.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Somehow doesn't seem like they're as durable as 20 BBY droids and durasteel rooms, but OK. You still seem to imply that Anakin has to be able to match Bane's power to deflect his FL with his lightsaber, when really he just needs to stand his ground and hold onto his lightsaber. AotC Obi Wan casually does this against Dooku's FL.

No, but Anakin doesn't even approach Bane's level of power and he's never shown himself able to deflect lightning as powerful's Bane's.

Dooku's lightning is just shit. 😉

Originally posted by Skybreaker
You would be wrong, but I don't have the book with me so whtv.

Dang.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
It doesn't have to be comparable. Anakin just has to block it with his lightsaber long enough for someone to lunge in and cut Bane's head off.

He wouldn't be able to block it with his lightsaber. Bane would overwhelm his defenses whilst sidestepping the blow.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Fine, spew his brains out. Same thing.

Nah. It's not that easy to hit someone as fast as Bane.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
The difference is, Zonakin's power was enough to literally make Dooku's strength in the Force irrelevant. He's certainly capable of standing his ground long enough for Bane to lose his head.

This isn't Zonakin though. 😬

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Nexus doe

The power in Lake Natth was sealed until Zannah's final attack. She wasn't drawing on it until that point. And anyway, Bane would have benefited from any nexus Zannah was.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
It's OK, this is Zonakin, Zonakin solos. 💃

Nope.

Even if it is, Zonakin didn't demonstrate anything with the Force. I doubt he could defeat, say, Sidious in that state. SO I doubt he could defeat Orbalisk Bane + Zannah. Especially with Zannah fvcking with him. Remember that a mere taunt from Dooku stopped Anakin from being so good and made him freak out. Zannah mentally attacking him would shit on him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
AotC.

Seriously? That was your example? Comeon now, that was AotC Anakin, and the two weren't even married yet. Nor do a bunch of beasts really compare to two dark lords of the sith.

Lmao @ that Anakin wank.

Anakin is the Chosen One. You need to realize that he is far beyond anyone in the mythos at this point.

Oh, he's faster than Yoda!?

Yes.

No, but Anakin doesn't even approach Bane's level of power and he's never shown himself able to deflect lightning as powerful's Bane's.

Dooku's lightning is just shit. 😉

That's a pretty stupid point given that we never really see Anakin face lightning at this level. We do know that Bane doesn't immediately kill every Jedi he faces with FL.

Dang.

Anakin still wins though, he's the strongest jedi of any generation.

He wouldn't be able to block it with his lightsaber. Bane would overwhelm his defenses whilst sidestepping the blow.

Ooohh, now he can overwhelm Skywalker's defenses and sidestep a f*cking lightsaber strike now?

Nah. It's not that easy to hit someone as fast as Bane.

When he's FL'ing someone he's basically immobile.

This isn't Zonakin though. 😬

It certainly is.

The power in Lake Natth was sealed until Zannah's final attack. She wasn't drawing on it until that point. And anyway, Bane would have benefited from any nexus Zannah was.

i don't elieve u and point is zannah's sorcery grew particularly stronger where she couldn't use it before.

Nope.

Yep.

Even if it is, Zonakin didn't demonstrate anything with the Force.

He did. Read the novel.

I doubt he could defeat, say, Sidious in that state.

That is debateable.

SO I doubt he could defeat Orbalisk Bane + Zannah. Especially with Zannah fvcking with him. Remember that a mere taunt from Dooku stopped Anakin from being so good and made him freak out. Zannah mentally attacking him would shit on him.

Zonakin =/= Emokin.

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In all seriousness, though, I find it very dubious that Darth Bane could overwhelm Anakin from the get-go with FL. He hasn't done this in multiple circumstances against weaker foes. More to the point, even were this a possibility, it becomes a pretty suicidal one when we consider that any moment of vulnerability on Bane's part is invitation for one of the other Jedi to cut his head off, your rather extreme suggestion that he could pull this off while sidestepping the strikes of a Jedi Master aside. Zannah, meanwhile, is hopelessly outnumbered and manages to survive with soresu at the best. I find it dubious that she could pull off her sorcery against these levels of opponents without getting gutted in her moment of weakness.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
In all seriousness, though, I find it very dubious that Darth Bane could overwhelm Anakin from the get-go with FL. He hasn't done this in multiple circumstances against weaker foes. More to the point, even were this a possibility, it becomes a pretty suicidal one when we consider that any moment of vulnerability on Bane's part is invitation for one of the other Jedi to cut his head off, your rather extreme suggestion that he could pull this off while sidestepping the strikes of a Jedi Master aside. Zannah, meanwhile, is hopelessly outnumbered and manages to survive with soresu at the best. I find it dubious that she could pull off her sorcery against these levels of opponents without getting gutted in her moment of weakness.

Well he did try to FL the RoT Strike Team but BM Raskta was badass enough to catch the individual bolts of lightning and stop it. Before then he went berserk and just tried to bullrush them because he was pretty pissed off at the time. So that's why he didn't do that. Farfalla for example was utterly vulnerable to his lightning. And Zannah is powerful enough to block his lightning. He did immediately go for it against Cognus' team though. Regardless, your reasoning isn't sufficient to argue that Bane couldn't pwn someone with lightning. I'm not just talking about Anakin. If Bane does Force Storm at the start and kill someone off the bat then the Sith have the clear advantage.

It really isn't a moment of vulnerability. I'm only suggesting he'd do this while they're charging him at the start or if he blasts someone clear with TK or something.

Again, I'm not suggesting she's going to bust out her sorcery with them right up in her face.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well he did try to FL the RoT Strike Team but BM Raskta was badass enough to catch the individual bolts of lightning and stop it.

Let's pretend that BM Raskta is on RotS Anakin's level.

Before then he went berserk and just tried to bullrush them because he was pretty pissed off at the time. So that's why he didn't do that.

When Bane is pissed off, he typically resorts to the Force.

Farfalla for example was utterly vulnerable to his lightning.

Farfalla is trash-tier in comparison to Anakin.

And Zannah is powerful enough to block his lightning. He did immediately go for it against Cognus' team though. Regardless, your reasoning isn't sufficient to argue that Bane couldn't pwn someone with lightning. I'm not just talking about Anakin. If Bane does Force Storm at the start and kill someone off the bat then the Sith have the clear advantage.

So, Bane has never overwhelmed anyone of Anakin's level. He fails on multiple occasions to do so against weaker foes. I say you have provided no evidence to make me believe that Bane can pull this off, or, more importantly, do this quickly enough to not get gutted by another Jedi.

It really isn't a moment of vulnerability. I'm only suggesting he'd do this while they're charging him at the start or if he blasts someone clear with TK or something.

I don't see how he can pull this off if they're charging at him...he tries it against Anakin, he gets killed.

Again, I'm not suggesting she's going to bust out her sorcery with them right up in her face.

Let's look to their duel in RoT, then. Replace Anakin with any of the strike team, and the duo dies. They almost died already to a group that wasn't really on this team's level. Zannah had to take advantage of very particular openings to use her sorcery on a Jedi who was explicitly weak in the Force. The sith are outnumbered; Zannah can't take on the trio, and Bane is going to soon find himself hopelessly outmatched.