Originally posted by the Darkoneno he didn't. He defeated a powerless Odin.
SA Mangog defeated SA Odin straight up, hell Odin had to remove all Asgard out of its own diminsion from SA Mangog so he wouldn't teac the Odin sword
In actual comic showings, Mangog was very weak. Failing to ko Thor after long battles, etc. absolutely no great strength feats, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8
no he didn't. He defeated a powerless Odin.In actual comic showings, Mangog was very weak. Failing to ko Thor after long battles, etc. absolutely no great strength feats, etc.
Thor was knocked out, he just didn't die...
Hell, Infinity Odin's attacks didn't outright kill him, this doesn't mean that universe-destroying Odin is somehow less than the destroyer that killed Thor...
Originally posted by cdtmThor said Hyperion hit harder than mangog if we go by that route under the same writer.
Classic Mangog's being undersold here, imo.Thor's best hammer strikes are, what, planet busting? Especially back in the silver age. And back then, he was doing crazy stuff like damaging Celestial armor.
And Mangog tanked a barrage of them. Claimed they may as well have been snowflakes falling on his skin.
Originally posted by krisblazeOdin is not universe-destroying or Galaxy destroying on average. Not even 1% of it. On average I would say he's between continent destroying to small moon destroying.
Thor was knocked out, he just didn't die...Hell, Infinity Odin's attacks didn't outright kill him, this doesn't mean that universe-destroying Odin is somehow less than the destroyer that killed Thor...
I'm not questioning Mangog's durability but his strength (which is pathetic).
Mangog didn't knock Thor out in a few hits or less. Thor got koed from falling to the ground. Basically the ground koed him. And guess what? Falling from 20feet from the air killed many Asgardians. Everyone was jobbing in that arc. Everyone was displayed as human level beings (even Odin, who was depowered).
Proof that Mangog was slightly stronger than Thor
1. Mangog hits back Mjolnir EQUAL to strength of Thor's right arm.
2. Mangog fails to ko Thor in a few hits or less.
3. Mangog has no strength feats above Thor's.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And magic doesn't affect Prime....
Second, it was implied that Mangog was created through Odin's magic, but never implied that Mangog emplys magic. As far as we know, his powers are sourced from the inherent attributes of his race, multiplied by a "billion billion".
Remember, his race had destroyed galaxies and was about to destroy Asgard. So, we know Mangog's race was definitely NOT just similar to the Kree, Skrulls, etc. They were much more.
The only true limitation ever evident in Mangog, was his simplicity and lack of creative use of his power.
Originally posted by Horrificus
First of all, "yes", magic will effect SBP, if it is coming in the form of a giant yellow fist.Second, it was implied that Mangog was created through Odin's magic, but never implied that Mangog emplys magic. As far as we know, his powers are sourced from the inherent attributes of his race, multiplied by a "billion billion".
Remember, his race had destroyed galaxies and was about to destroy Asgard. So, we know Mangog's race was definitely NOT just similar to the Kree, Skrulls, etc. They were much more.
The only true limitation ever evident in Mangog, was his simplicity and lack of creative use of his power.
Black Adam's fists tickled him. We all know how strong HE was.
Zauriel's sword, created by the Presence, flat-out didn't work on him.
Mangog is as magical as Mjolnir, and Thor. His powers are sourced from negative emotions, and magically turned into strength/durability etc.
Yeah, it seems to me like Black Adam would beat Mangog here. And SBP literally said that his magic infused punches "tickle", after he tanked like 10 of them to the face. This was a bloodlusted Black Adam btw, that was able to turn the Spectre into metaphorical Swiss cheese, with similarly magical enhanced physical attacks.
Originally posted by HorrificusBut at what rate? A ton of extra strength per hour? Mangog has never shown a significant increase in strength in all his battles. So either he doesn't get stronger from negative emotions (showings>>>>statements) or the growth rate is slow.
Mangog all day. Lots of feats and statements being ignored here.
As a matter of fact, truth is that Mangog doesn"t ONLY gain power from negative emotions throughout the universe. It was also shown he gained power from the positive adoration of the inhabitants of Asgard while impersonating Odin.
We go by feats and not no limits fallacy. Sbp strength feats exceeds Mangog durability feats.
Man oh man, when will your lowballing of Clearly powerful characters cease?
Mangog sits comfortably above herald level strength to the point of casually crushing them in "combat" (See: Wolf mauling Rabbit). He doesn't have to increase his strength in his showings unless it's like Odin or something.
Idunno who wins but I'm more interested in how you're still the absolute worst
Originally posted by psycho gundamWell then that means that Superman isn't a Herald level being but above. The strongest thing Mangog ever done was damage a mountain. That's not planetary. Hell Bor is a lot stronger since he can kill normal Thor with a single blow. Mangog can't do such things.
Man oh man, when will your lowballing of Clearly powerful characters cease?Mangog sits comfortably above herald level strength to the point of casually crushing them in "combat" (See: Wolf mauling Rabbit). He doesn't have to increase his strength in his showings unless it's like Odin or something.
Idunno who wins but I'm more interested in how you're still the absolute worst
Superman is stronger by feats. So if Mangog is stronger than all heralds then Superman has above Herald strength. We go by feats.
P.S. Lowballing is listing low showings as a representative of a character's forum level. I didn't list any low showing by Mangog but im considering only his best. Using his absolute best feats of strength then he is not even an insect to prime.
Implied power that actually contradicts showings hold no water.