Maul's ultimate bargaining chip?

Started by Skybreaker2 pages

Maul's ultimate bargaining chip?

Why not blackmail his former master by threatening to tell the Jedi that Palpatine is Darth Sidious? (The Plagueis novel makes it clear that he knows.)

This is before he was captured, of course.

Maul's stupid.

He also loathes the Jedi and probably doesn't actually want to help them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Maul's stupid.
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Why would they believe Maul? Even if they did, they wouldn't be able to sense who Palpatine is.

They may not believe Maul (although he would possibly have some sort of evidence from his years of servitude), but their suspicions would be raised, and it would be virtually impossible for Palpatine to pull anything. Remember that they did not initially believe Dooku's claims about Sidious either. Especially given that Maul apparently knew of the clone wars and the whole master plan sans Anakin.

He was too proud to take Palpatine down like that. He wanted to prove himself (true he did cry to mommy), but he didn't want to cry to the Jedi.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
They may not believe Maul (although he would possibly have some sort of evidence from his years of servitude), but their suspicions would be raised
You mean like how they were raised when Dooku did this?

A hallmark of the Prequel Trilogy Jedi are that they're idiots.

Also it's worth noting that prior to the close of the Clone Wars, Palpatine was considered a paragon to the Republic and Order itself. All of the Jedi admired and looked up to him. So, some chump that they have absolutely zero reason to ever believe or take seriously telling that Palpatine was a Sith Lord would go over about as well as him telling them that Yoda was a Sith Lord.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
You mean like how they were raised when Dooku did this?

They were raised when Dooku claimed that the Senate was being controlled by Darth Sidious. The Jedi bought this and operated under the assumption that Darth Sidious was somebody in Palpatine's inner circle. In the RotS novelization, they go as far as to send Yoda away to Kashyyyk for the purpose of luring out the Dark Lord of the Sith.


Also it's worth noting that prior to the close of the Clone Wars, Palpatine was considered a paragon to the Republic and Order itself. All of the Jedi admired and looked up to him. So, some chump that they have absolutely zero reason to ever believe or take seriously telling that Palpatine was a Sith Lord would go over about as well as him telling them that Yoda was a Sith Lord.

😆 Dude, did you even bother to watch RotS? The Jedi Council was discussing plans to remove Palpatine from office; in what ridiculous universe did they "admire and look up to him"?

Yeah, and they believed Anakin at face value.

They already know Sidious is in the senate and high up in the senate. IIRC the only reason they didn't suspect Sheev more was that he basically already controlled everything. So Maul's accusation is likely to hold some serious water.

Notice the phrase, "prior to the close of the Clone Wars." RotS is the close of the Clone Wars. Try harder.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Notice the phrase, "prior to the close of the Clone Wars." RotS is the close of the Clone Wars. Try harder.

Yeah, let's pretend that the Jedi's distrust of Palpatine came suddenly at RotS, a sudden turn from adulation, as though the cause of their dissention (Palpatine's growing dictatorial power) popped up overnight, rather than clearly having originated from before even the start of AotC, where Palpatine had already been extending his term far beyond the limits of the constitution. And this is ignoring the fact that such distrust is explicitly mentioned in various pre-RotS sources. I thought that this would be pretty f*cking obvious, so I didn't feel the need to mull over the semantics of the question. Apparently not.

Disappointed to see you are not banned yet. When I wake up tomorrow I'm going to run down the stairs like a little boy on Christmas and see if good ol' Badabing left me a present.

Yeah, DarthAnt, what happened to your religious self righteousness? Has the internet ever been graced by a more contemptible hypocrite?

I like how Ant says "like a little boy" as if he's implying he isn't already one. Lol.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I like how Ant says "like a little boy" as if he's implying he isn't already one. Lol.
Hoohoohoo lemme go get my fire extinguisher!

Originally posted by Liberal P
Yeah, me too. This guy reminds me of cancer.

DarthAnt, you really need to be a little more subtle here.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Yeah, let's pretend that the Jedi's distrust of Palpatine came suddenly at RotS, a sudden turn from adulation, as though the cause of their dissention (Palpatine's growing dictatorial power) popped up overnight, rather than clearly having originated from before even the start of AotC, where Palpatine had already been extending his term far beyond the limits of the constitution. And this is ignoring the fact that such distrust is [b]explicitly mentioned in various pre-RotS sources. I thought that this would be pretty f*cking obvious, so I didn't feel the need to mull over the semantics of the question. Apparently not. [/B]

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The people of the Republic still loved Palpatine and the Jedi still respected him. Finally, all of this is irrelevant, since Yoda already knew who Sidious was, and who Vader would be.

😆 I'll take that as a concession.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Finally, all of this is irrelevant, since Yoda already knew who Sidious was, and who Vader would be.

Nah, he didn't.

Originally posted by ares834
Nah, he didn't.

You think Yoda wouldn't know who Sidious is when he dreams of Anakin killing a bunch of younglings?