Talzin is a pretty abhorrent swordfighter when you take a real look at her fights. For instance, she didn't really contend with Windu. She slashed wildly at him, he backed off. They blade lock for a bit then it goes off-screen. When you come back to them they're still blade-locking, so it seems like there wasn't much of a lightsaber duel taking place at all. In Dooku's body which she had full control of, Sidious pretty easily stomped her. Even though she had little experience with a lightsaber, nevermind a curved hilt, there's still not much to suggest she would have done any better against Sidious with her own sword.
In terms of Force abilities all she has done is create half decent illusions, alter the weather off-Dathomir, tk'd pre-TPM Maul, destroyed some droids with emerald lightning, and threw up a barrier which repelled some blaster bolts.
During her fight with Sidious, she briefly met his lightning evenly and then rapidly began being overpowered. She threw up a barrier for a long time, which is good in terms of defensive abilities, but she hasn't shown very much at all in terms of offensive Force powers.
Plagueis on the other hands has shown high levels of offensive telekinetic power, pretty potent lightning, vastly superior Force speed, strength and lightsaber skill. Talzin could hold off his lightning and telekinesis, but she hasn't got much in the way of offence for dealing with Plagueis. Which can only lead to a physical bout between them in which Plagueis would take victory handily.
"I wouldn't take the wild slashes too far ILS, that's how all TCW fights are portrayed, at least most of them. Ventress, Grevious and others all do the same thing."
Even then.. what does that fight really show in terms of technical skill? Doesn't conclude that she's Mace's peer anyway, and after that there's still nothing to suggest in terms of physical ability or skill that Plagueis wouldn't decimate her.
"She can dissolve into just, has been able to senselessly torture and kill Dooku, and even make people invisible.."
She didn't dissolve into dust when she fought Sidious, and I believe she did that because her power was waning anyway. Not like it would help in a fight anyway. She tortured Dooku with a ritual, not in a combat scenario, same thing with the invisibility ritual which has no bearing on combat either. Plagueis engulfing a landscape with lightning and nigh-atomizing assassins shows greater offensive power than anything Talzin has produced by a fair margin.
Originally posted by ILS
Turning into dust isn't going to help her win a fight. Fleeing from battle = a loss. You get to do rituals during prep time, not in a fight, and even then Talzin has little defence from Plagueis just speedblitzing her.How was she weakened?
Why is that a loss? The whole planet is their battleground for a reason.
"The process may weaken her, I will prepare her chamber."
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sidious surpassed Plagueis the moment he killed him.