Dooku would wipe them out with the Force, but in terms of raw skill, they could collectively provide a challenge for Dooku. But they wouldn't, because Dooku knows Ataru inside and out and in particular Jinn's fighting style, so even in a sabers only fight he'd destroy them because of how familiar he is with their techniques and how good he is at exploiting weakness/taking on duos.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku >> TPM Maul.
Well duh! lmao, of course Dooku is > Maul. Just saying people underrate Jinn a lot, i just went through Nova's respect thread and I kind of moved Jinn up a few levels. Here's the thread if anyone's interested:
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/qui-gon-jinn-respect-thread/97359/
Ridiculous. So you think highly of Qui-Gon and not Saesee, despite the former also having nothing but accolades and sparring matches to his name?
Anyway, if we're ignoring the fact that Dooku organized a response to counter every single sequence in his apprentice's technique, then Dooku takes this with even greater ease than Maul did--without using the force.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Ridiculous. So you think highly of Qui-Gon and not Saesee, despite the former also having nothing but accolades and sparring matches to his name?
Before you bring yourself to rant on me for not taking Saesee's tiin's supposed greatness, why not take a look at the accomplishments of Qui-Gon or any other Jedi for that matter.
- Qui-Gon breaks a swords with a powerful blow. What has Saesee tiin done?
- Through sheer strength Qui-Gon throws Xanatos several meters away. What has Saesee Tiin done?
- Darth Maul notes that in their duel on Tatooine. Qui-Gon is quote "Never off balance" and that their blows send "Shivers" through mauls body. When has Sasee Tiin done something similiar?
Having accolades is great, however besides his accolades and a few showings here and there Saesee Tiin is relatively weak. Qui-Gon has both accolades and feats to support him
This isn't me saying Qui-Gon > Dooku, because that is simply not true. But Unless Saesee Tiin has an actual dueling feat that doesn't end with his death, I'm not buying his supposed mastery. As a TK user, he's good, very good. But Give me a decent dueling feat of his(that isn't a damn sparring match) and then i'll concede to his supposed greatness with the blade. But for now, I'll put characters with actual feats to support their accolades above him(i.e Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, Ki-adi Mundi. Depa Billaba, Shaak Ti etc)
So don't assume that i have double standards, Jinn has more then Just "accolades & sparring matches" to his name, unlike your Saesee Tiin.
Originally posted by Nargaroth
Not that those people you mentioned are far below Dooku anyway. They're all Tier 8 duellists.
Who the heck said Ventress and Fisto were Level 8's? Don't make your own opinions into facts.
And I take it you completely missed how badly Dooku has beaten Ventress and Kenobi.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Who the heck said Ventress and Fisto were Level 8's? Don't make your own opinions into facts.And I take it you completely missed how badly Dooku has beaten Ventress and Kenobi.
Except that Dooku has never dominated them in a pure duel, he only wrecked them with Force, which is not relevant to duelling skil. Kit Fisto was stated to be better than Kenobi anyway, and Ventress has fought evenly with Anakin, whom as of TCW is certainly in Tier 8.
- Qui-Gon breaks a swords with a powerful blow. What has Saesee tiin done?
- Through sheer strength Qui-Gon throws Xanatos several meters away. What has Saesee Tiin done?
- Darth Maul notes that in their duel on Tatooine. Qui-Gon is quote "Never off balance" and that their blows send "Shivers" through mauls body. When has Saesee Tiin ever replicated this?
Having accolades is great, however besides his accolades and a few showings here and there Saesee Tiin is relatively weak.
Qui-Gon has both accolades and feats to support him.
As a TK user, he's good, very good.
And if you think that this doesn't apply to Jedi, you'd be very wrong.
"in combat, telepaths do have a distinct edge. Even if one fights by instinct and reflex, most cannot stop themselves from emitting monosyllabic thoughts that project their next movement. During my training bouts at the Jedi Temple, my opponents unwittingly revealed their every move, allowing me that crucial fraction of a moment that enabled me to be the one who would remain standing."
-Saesee Tiin, in Jedi vs Sith--The Essential Guide to the Force
At one point, he even probed Qui-Gon's mind without the latter's consent, implying that this tactic would also be effective against him.
But UnlessSaesee TiinQui-Gon Jinn has an actual dueling feat (that isn't a damn sparring match!) that doesn't end with his death, I'm not buying his supposed mastery.
So don't assume that i have double standards, Jinn has more then Just "accolades & sparring matches" to his name, unlike your Saesee Tiin.
Other than his "accolades & sparring matches", Qui-Gon has nothing to say for his skill other than defeating his featless Padawan. I am absolutely assuming you have double standards.