Tahl (Female Jedi Master from this Comic Book) vs. Qui-Gon Jinn ;It was called Exhibition Day, and they had performed exercises while the Jedi Masters watched. Force exercises, balance, endurance, climbing, jumping, swimming. Sometimes they split into teams of two or four. It was play, but it was also serious. The last exercise was a series of training lightsaber matches. Some were done blindfolded. Some pitted one student against two attackers. Qui- Gon won all his matches. It came down to him and Clee Rhara and Tahl. Then Tahl beat Clee Rhara. "Guess that leaves us," she whispered as she bowed to him at the start of the final match. "Don't worry. I'll go easy on you." They had been matched many times before. He knew how fast she was. She knew how strong he was. Knowing each other's strengths made the match more interesting. Qui-Gon found fighting Tahl to be both exhausting and exhilarating. It brought out his best skills. They whirled around the space, using every inch of wall and floor. All the Jedi students admired Tahl's gymnastic abilities. She could run up a wall, twist, and come at you with a sweeping backhand twist that left you dizzy. Tahl fought hard. Qui-Gon admired how just when he thought she was tiring, she would find fresh strength. He could not match her agility, but he was able to surprise her with strategy. He saw her eyes flash with astonishment and her teeth grit in determination as she parried his blows and came at him with a series of twists and reversals. The match was not timed. It would only end when one of them scored a blow. Exhaustion began to slow their moves, but they did not stop or make mistakes. He could hear the murmur among the spectators, wondering how long the two students could continue. He sensed more Jedi Masters arriving. Tahl's face was a mask. She had gone deep within herself, past her exhaustion to a place of sheer will. Qui-Gon had never felt so tired. His arm muscles shook. His legs felt watery. They trembled. Still he did not stop or make a mistake. Then Tahl's foot slipped. Just a fraction, but it was enough. The floor was wet with their sweat. She left herself vulnerable for one split second, and he moved forward, kicking out with one foot and driving the lightsaber from her grasp. At the same time he brought his own lightsaber close to her. He did not touch her with it. He was not willing to give her even the slightest sting from the training saber. "Match to Qui-Gon," one of the Jedi Masters spoke. Qui-Gon and Tahl bowed to each other. Then they collapsed together on a bench nearby. "A good match," he said, panting.
- Taken from ; Jedi Apprentice: The Death of Hope
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
I'm unsure here, I am more impressed by Qui-Gon's performance against Maul than I am with Obi-wan performance against AOTC Dooku.I'm going with Qui-Gon, i feel He's the superior duelist of the two[ROTS/TWC Obi-Wan would defeat Jinn though]
Let me get this straight... your more impressed by the guy that got impaled than you are with the guy who cut the person in half who impaled the other? Odd logic to say the least. Kenobi for a vast majority
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me get this straight... your more impressed by the guy that got impaled than you are with the guy who cut the person in half who impaled the other? Odd logic to say the least. Kenobi for a vast majority
Massive logic fail here. TPM Novel makes it clear Qui-Gon was greater than Kenobi at the time. It really doesn't matter who got the final blow on who, Qui-Gon was better. If Kenobi was so good he wouldn't have left Qui-Gon to face Maul alone in the first place.
Now this thread isn't even comparing Prime Kenobi to Qui-Gon. It's comparing AOTC Kenobi to Qui-Gon. And they are probably around the same level Imo. But I'd honestly say it's difficult to pin point the exact time Kenobi surpassed Qui-Gon. But AOTC Kenobi didn't do anything overly impressive Iirc.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosiholy crap bro! I didn't know that you were on the star wars forums. Anyway, abc logic doesn't work but obi wan does edge out qui-gon
Let me get this straight... your more impressed by the guy that got impaled than you are with the guy who cut the person in half who impaled the other? Odd logic to say the least. Kenobi for a vast majority
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me get this straight... your more impressed by the guy that got impaled than you are with the guy who cut the person in half who impaled the other? Odd logic to say the least.
Okay...
#1. More impressive than TPM Obi-wan yes. How many times did Obi-wan get taken out? how many times was Qui-Gon forced to duel Maul alone for a long duration?
#2. Wasn't Kenobi being enhanced by his rage?
#3. Qui-Gon did most of the work for him -_- again he dueled Maul multiple times alone. while Kenobi was kicked away - three times i think
And as for my comment, While i do believe Dooku>Maul. Qui-gon did last longer against Maul than ATOC Obi-Wan did against Dooku.
I don't think anyone can seriously argue that Kenobi knowing Jinn's Form so well he can anticipate his every move isn't a game breaking advantage. It'd tie in perfectly with Soresu's emphasis on looking for openings and tiring opponents out. Kenobi can exploit weaknesses in a lightsaber form he knows inside and out and Jinn's stamina can be taxed over time. In terms of raw skill, they're quite even, but Kenobi's just a terrible match up for him at this stage.
