Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I've seen Batman out react members of the Flash Family sneerNot to mention, he now has WBH's abilities which make him more powerful than if he had Superman's.
But Superman knocking out Parasite isn't PIS.
Parasite can be knocked out using physical force. Sometimes it's only taken Superman a few hits...
Originally posted by krisblaze
But Superman knocking out Parasite isn't PIS.Parasite can be knocked out using physical force. Sometimes it's only taken Superman a few hits...
But that's the thing. Having WBH's abilities is a step up from getting Superman's abilities.
I know Superman has his dynamic strength/durability supporters, but it is no way like WBH's.
Getting WBH's durability/HF would make Parasite FAR more formidable than getting Superman's durability/HF. Also, his ability to ramp up from puny Banner to WBH.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
So is this a baseform parasite that can 100-0% drain an opponent instantly which can also avoid any attacks using its bulletime reactive/travel speed from a translevel brick with 100% success?
Nope. Not sure where you got that idea from.
Nobody said he was draining WBH 100%-0%.
Nobody said it was instant.
Nobody said anything about avoiding any attacks using bullettime reactive/travel time speed.
I posted a scan showing him against an amped Superman who was unable to control his powers (and thus, going full throttle).
Did he drain him? No.
Did he avoid the HV? No.
He took it, and it strengthened him/healed him. So that he could close the gap, and touch Superman.
WBH stomps.
As someone in this thread has mentioned, Parasite wont copy him 100% instantaneously, and it will take time for him to be as strong as WBH. He has also been knocked out a whole host of times (by forces far weaker than what WBH will be outputting). The way parasite is being presented in this thread is simply not how he shows up within the comics.
The characters get basic knowledge of the abilities of their opponent and start a reasonable distance apart. WBH thunderclaps at the beginning of the fight and thats all she wrote.
Originally posted by Naija boy
WBH stomps.As someone in this thread has mentioned, Parasite wont copy him 100% instantaneously, and has been knocked out a whole host of times (by forces far weaker than what WBH will be outputting).
The characters get basic knowledge of the abilities of their opponent and start a reasonable distance apart. WBH thunderclaps at the beginning of the fight and thats all she wrote.
Oh, so we ignore the full capacity rule then. And just focus on the low showings. I never knew that.
Thunderclaps would also strengthen him. As he can speed steal, absorbing inertia of things in motion:
Later on, he developed it further. He got bonded to a scientist, increasing his intelligence levels (hence his schizo talking to himself). He later gets rid of that, and accepts both personalities.
Btw, I promised carver I would show him draining across a telepathic link:
Parasite isn't exactly a mainstream character. He's a 2-bit villain from Superman's rogues. And yet, I have shown no less than three different storylines (he got stronger as time went on, with several upgrades) of his powers.
And once more, I bring up the point that cdtm is no fool. He did not create a spite thread. He knows each side, and thought it would be a good fight. I agree. It's a stalemate.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But that's the thing. Having WBH's abilities is a step up from getting Superman's abilities.I know Superman has his dynamic strength/durability supporters, but it is no way like WBH's.
Getting WBH's durability/HF would make Parasite FAR more formidable than getting Superman's durability/HF. Also, his ability to ramp up from puny Banner to WBH.
Nope. Not sure where you got that idea from.
Nobody said he was draining WBH 100%-0%.
Nobody said it was instant.
Nobody said anything about avoiding any attacks using bullettime reactive/travel time speed.I posted a scan showing him against an amped Superman who was unable to control his powers (and thus, going full throttle).
Did he drain him? No.
Did he avoid the HV? No.He took it, and it strengthened him/healed him. So that he could close the gap, and touch Superman.
That's great and all but Hulk even at WBH does what every hulk does... rush his enemy and punch him.
So the only real questions that matter:
1. Can parasite avoid the initial punch?
2. If he can't, can he survive it? Or survive long enough for him to copy and weaken him sufficiently.
That's all there is to it really. Unless somehow he copies 100% of hulk's durability instantly, how is he surviving a punch from a guy who makes continents quake by stepping on it in what.. a few second time frame?
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
That's great and all but Hulk even at WBH does what every hulk does... rush his enemy and punch him.So the only real question that matter
1. Can parasite avoid the initial punch?
2. If he can't, can he survive it?That's all there is to it really. Unless somehow he copies 100% of hulk's durability too, how is he surviving a punch from a guy who makes continents quake by stepping on it in what.. a few second time frame?
Wait, is he thunderclapping (like naija said) or bullrushing him with a punch?
Either way, he's not faster than light (or at least, EM radiation) when rushing. Or the speed of thought.
WBH when rushing to punch Parasite, will be emitting tons and tons of radiation, as he always did. This radiation, travelling as it does at the speed of light, will hit Parasite before WBH's fist (unless WBH moves FTL). As I showed with Superman and his HV, he just absorbed it, and grew stronger. Same with Dubbilex and his telepathic attack - which presumably travels at the speed of thought. He just drained him.
So by the time the fist connects, he'd be incredibly amped by WBH. Would he overload? My opinion is that he wouldn't (as even when he was, he got back from being just a skeleton), or, if he was close, when he got touched, he'd be able to copy, and then, get WBH's abilities.
I am NOT saying he drains WBH into a skeleton. No.
I am saying, he gets amped up to WBH levels, rather than WBH coming down to Parasite's level.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, so we ignore the full capacity rule then. And just focus on the low showings. I never knew that.Thunderclaps would also strengthen him. As he can speed steal, absorbing inertia of things in motion:
Later on, he developed it further. He got bonded to a scientist, increasing his intelligence levels (hence his schizo talking to himself). He later gets rid of that, and accepts both personalities.
Btw, I promised carver I would show him draining across a telepathic link:
Parasite isn't exactly a mainstream character. He's a 2-bit villain from Superman's rogues. And yet, I have shown no less than three different storylines (he got stronger as time went on, with several upgrades) of his powers.
And once more, I bring up the point that cdtm is no fool. He did not create a spite thread. He knows each side, and thought it would be a good fight. I agree. It's a stalemate.
Here the thing, its NOT focusing on low showings and if you think the full capacity rule involves characters behaving in ways and exceeding limits that they have shown in comics you have a warped understanding of said rule.
Parasite does not have limitless absorption capabilities. Furthermore, absorbing the inertia of a car is nothing compared to absorbing the totality of a WBHulk thunderclap. Parasite has been knocked out several times before despite this ability to absorb KE.
Furthermore, there is literally no basis i can think of for parasite having amped up to levels as powerful as WBH at all let alone fast enough to prevent himself from being koed by an all out WBH attack. Even after having absorbed some of the excess energy that WBH leaked, he wouldnt all of a sudden be equivalent to WBH (that energy is excess and does not at all represent the totality of WBH strength)
Just because the thread starter thought it would be a good fight does not give you the liberty to argue for a character beyond their typical portrayal in comics...
Originally posted by Naija boy
Here the thing, its NOT focusing on low showings and if you think the full capacity rule involves characters behaving in ways and exceeding limits that they have shown in comics you have a warped understanding of said rule.Parasite does not have limitless absorption capabilities. Furthermore, absorbing the inertia of a car is nothing compared to absorbing the totality of a WBHulk thunderclap. Parasite has been knocked out several times before despite this ability to absorb KE.
Furthermore, there is literally no basis i can think of for parasite having amped up to levels as powerful as WBH at all let alone fast enough to prevent himself from being koed by an all out WBH attack. Just because the thread starter thought it would be a good fight does not give you the liberty to argue for a character beyond their portrayal in comics...
Best of his abilities meant, to me, not being KOed by, as you said, far less. As I have shown he has tanked quite high levels. Exceeding limits? I am saying he copies the DNA, memories and abilities of WBH - who doesn't have limits (that I know of). WBH is fighting WBH here.
He does not, no. Am happy to be shown him being overloaded. Then again, he now has WBH's limitations, not Parasite's limitations, so they would be moot.
I also showed him absorbing a speeding Superman.
Why no basis? If he rushes in and punches (which you cannot in all honesty say is OOC for WBH) he gets copied. Whilst getting amped enough by WBH's radiation energy to have protection until he gets the copy done.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exceeding limits? I am saying he copies the DNA, memories and abilities of WBH - who doesn't have limits (that I know of). WBH is fighting WBH here.He does not, no. Am happy to be shown him being overloaded. Then again, he now has WBH's limitations, not Parasite's limitations, so they would be moot.
I also showed him absorbing a speeding Superman.
Why no basis? If he rushes in and punches (which you cannot in all honesty say is OOC for WBH) he gets copied. Whilst getting amped enough by WBH's radiation energy to have protection until he gets the copy done.
You are portraying him in a way beyond his limits because, while he copies DNA, memories and abilities, he has not shown to be able to absorb the level energy required, in the amount of time required for this to somehow become WBH vs WBH
In terms of absorption, he still has Parasite limitations. He doesnt simply absorb a little bit and then become just as powerful as you are. It has never worked like that. Especially in regards to characters as powerful as WBH (ive never even seen him absorb anything close to that level) He keeps absorbing getting stronger and stronger while you get weaker and weaker. The problem is it is doubtful that he can absorb the totality of a WBH onslaught without being turned to dust.
The amount of energy he will get from WBH's excess gamma radiation, presuming he doesnt get overloaded from even that (which is very possibble), is unlikely to to give enough protection to tank direct hits from WBH long enough to amp himself up to WBH levels.