Originally posted by Nalaniel
And he still got floored by Dooku with a kick.
And he also lost to Obi-Wan
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Before humiliating and beheading him. 😐
Well to be fair what Dooku did to Anakin and Obi-Wan with the simultaneous Force choke and kick was pretty damn humiliating in itself.
So Dooku was still clearly more powerful than Kenobi, and still clearly more skilled than the Anakin/Kenobi duo.
Skywalker did however have considerable more raw power at his disposal than Dooku, and was at least as skilled as Kenobi.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
You misinterpret the purpose of what I'm saying. It's less of an Anakin supremacy thing, more of it being silly to insinuate Dooku is Anakin's superior because he was able to land a kick on Anakin, when he ends up headless some 40 seconds later.
It's a tough one, but I'm always skeptical of fights which are not 1 vs 1 right from the outset. So I'm skeptical about ROTS Anakin being superior to Dooku, but I'm also skeptical about Mace Windu being a superior saber duelist to Sidious, and I don't at all buy that TPM Kenobi > TPM Qui-Gon due to Kenobi giving Maul a much better fight right at the end of the whole battle.
Because those other combatants involved initially (whether they be Kenobi, Qui-Gon or the B-Team) would have certainly changed the course of the fight, possibly tired the opponent somewhat and had some kind of effect on the outcome IMHO.
It's pretty consistent though, in Season 4 Anakin was demonstrably really close to Dooku, and by RotS he had grown vastly--Enough so that he was outright overpowering Dooku throughout the fight, even before Kenobi's dismissal. This doesn't mean that Tyranus couldn't land some hits or bag some wins, but there was a clear superior in that fight--And Dooku knew it.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It's pretty consistent though, in Season 4 Anakin was demonstrably really close to Dooku, and by RotS he had grown vastly--Enough so that he was outright overpowering Dooku throughout the fight, even before Kenobi's dismissal. This doesn't mean that Tyranus couldn't land some hits or bag some wins, but there was a clear superior in that fight--And Dooku knew it.
Makes sense.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
but there was a clear superior in that fight--
Not sure about this part though. I think it was clear Skywalker was the most powerful combatant on the field, but I think it was also clear that Dooku was the most skilled and masterful combatant on the field.
But I agree with your overall assessment, that Anakin was overall superior by this point, but Dooku could still pack a punch and take some wins against him in a 1 vs 1.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not sure about this part though. I think it was clear Skywalker was the most powerful combatant on the field, but I think it was also clear that Dooku was the most skilled and masterful combatant on the field.
This is a fair assessment, though to be honest Anakin rivals him there too.
I mean, in Attack of the Clones he was able to press Dooku in their battle, but was then ultimately outmatched by his skills and mastery.
Then Anakin makes a jump between AotC and Seasons 1/2, where he's obtained the skill/mastery necessary to truly contend with Dooku on even footing, but his is still overshadowed by Dooku's own.
By Seasons 3/4, however, they appear to be evenly matched. Anakin was perhaps slightly more powerful, Dooku slightly more skilled, etc.
But then Anakin grew vastly in power, which is consistent with how he was depicted in LoE, and that tipped the scales in his favor during RotS.
But I agree with your overall assessment, that Anakin was overall superior by this point
But back to the topic, could he defeat Mace? His fury that proved to be Dooku's downfall could be used as a weapon here.
Anakin's fury gave him more kinetic and physical strength against Dooku which is the worst thing for Dooku's style ; makashi. It is not suitable for fighting against considerable great kinetic power, in Mace's case this would be an advantage for him, he can reflect Anakin's dark side energy to back into him.
I think Obi-Wan's pure defensive style soresu would be better for fighting against Mace's vaapad, at least better than Anakin's aggressive style.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It's pretty consistent though, in Season 4 Anakin was demonstrably really close to Dooku, and by RotS he had grown vastly--Enough so that he was outright overpowering Dooku throughout the fight, even before Kenobi's dismissal. This doesn't mean that Tyranus couldn't land some hits or bag some wins, but there was a clear superior in that fight--And Dooku knew it.
Really close? Nope. Season 6 has Dooku tooling them both on Oba Dia. I also highly doubt there is any significant gap if any between Season 6 Anakin and ROTS Anakin. The Jedi are close on Sidious' trail by the end of it. It seems reasonable to assume that the Jedi were searching the Works because of Yoda's vision.
As for this fight, Mace has flat out stated that ROTS Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive. Now Mace is pretty damned humble, but that's the first time he's ever put someone on Yoda's level. Not to say he's correct but if Anakin isn't on par with Mace he's damned close, throwing in Kenobi is a death sentence for Mace.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
While I do respect and support your fight for Dooku supremacy, the battle in Season 6 was no less of a one-off than Ventress overwhelming the duo in S3, which isn't surprising considering he was basically under the threat of death.
No it isn't, not considering Dooku consistently shows superiority to Anakin when he gets serious. Even in ROTS Dooku is under strict orders not to kill Anakin.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It doesn't matter. He clearly didn't have any chance to regardless, he was being driven back the entire time. At the end of the day he himself realized that everything he had was a joke before the power that Anakin wielded. Now, is this hyperbole? Of course. It gets the message across, though.
And yet Anakin still has no answer to Dooku's superior TK and Force mastery. The fact of the matter is that he had intent to kill Kenobi and he knocked him out of the fight with ease, now I'm not saying that he could do the same with Skywalker, but he's ragdolled him before. Skywalker is neck and neck with Dooku in a raw contest of sabers but you throw in the force and Dooku still has the solid edge imo.