Pre-Crisis Superman vs Silver Surfer

Started by JBL4 pages

Originally posted by Star428
I actually think that Surfer has the advantage against current Superman but PC Superman was an entirely different beast altogether. I've picked several characters to beat Superman so I'm not just saying PC Superman stomps just because Superman is my favorite character (actually PC Supes was kinda boring because he was way too powerful) but because I actually believe he does based on his insane feats. Nothing Surfer has done even begins to compare.
Superman is your favorite character????? WOW!!! What a surprise!!! 😆

To be entirely honest though, I truly do believe Superman defeats Surfer with little to no resistance at all.

Surfer has no way to defend against the kind of Speed Superman possesses, and Surfer has no counter for Superman's unparalleled Time Manipulation powers. IE he forcefully degenerated Hercules mid combat back thousands of years, he didn't warp Zeus through time....he degenerated him back to an earlier age. (all of these are provided via scans the previous page).

Superman could also simply hit Surfer with hits that exceed trillions multiplied by trillions of Super Novas, at speeds that break the abstracts of the universe (all of these are provided via scans the previous page).

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Oh please, Look at you sitting in the corner waiting to get some shots in cause superman won and you found a way to do some internet smooching. Cry more 😆
oh look, its a superman fan defending a superman fan about superman while both have superman on their page... awwwww, how sweet. 😍

Originally posted by JBL
oh look, its a superman fan defending a superman fan about superman while both have superman on their page... awwwww, how sweet. 😍

Better then board trolling superman and superman fans. 🤣

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Better then board trolling superman and superman fans. 🤣
Giving an opinion in a thread is now trolling superman and his fans? What is accusing people of hate that vote against superman only to be flooded by you and your kind with name calling? All one has to do is say.... i think superman lose..... and here you and your kind come spewing your " hate superman theory ". Want proof? 🤣

Originally posted by JBL
Giving an opinion in a thread is now trolling superman and his fans? What is accusing people of hate that vote against superman only to be flooded by you and your kind with name calling? All one has to do is say.... i think superman lose..... and here you and your kind come spewing your " hate superman theory ". Want proof? 🤣

Great you think he loses, where did I say anything of the above? Now you just making things up and acting childish and saying superman and hate over and over.

Originally posted by Digi
No, but he does win.
Originally posted by Digi
I'm aware. He also, ya know, didn't sneeze away literally hundreds of opponents in hard-fought battles. There are no absolutes in comics, but anything like a representative sample of showings makes this a clear but not one-shot win for Supes.

You don't know what you're talking about. So please stop.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You don't know what you're talking about. So please stop.

Oh, I have no intention of continuing. This thread has quickly devolved in a sadly predictable pattern (not from you though). But issuing dismissive statements like this are the bigger issue. I did try to engage Supes supporters. To no avail, sadly.

God Bless You😄

Originally posted by Digi
Oh, I have no intention of continuing. This thread has quickly devolved in a sadly predictable pattern (not from you though). But issuing statements like this are the bigger issue. This is an internet discussion forum. If you think someone doesn't know what they're talking about, either try to educate them or disagree with them. Condescension and asking them to stop talking is a far greater problem than a lack of knowledge. And this is spoken to someone who both agrees Superman wins, and is aware of and has acknowledged the various feats mentioned in the thread thus far. What must the less initiated think of this forum when such vitriol is being hurled around arbitrarily? I get that you take a lot of sh*t for backing Superman like you do. A lot of it is unfair. It makes it easy to be dismissive. I get it, because the same can often be said of modding, and I've gotten snippy with posters who didn't deserve it because I'm used to taking hell in disciplinary situations. I would have been willing to talk about Superman in this fight, as the last couple pages (I hope) have shown. But it's not going to happen like this.

Enjoy your day.


Ok? I asked you to please stop generalizing superman's feats based on nothing but "Oh, he has hundreds of fights." Superman can and had oneshotted people even in his own weight class which is much higher than surfer's. If you want, I can flood this thread with scans.

Surfer has a hard time with Thor, do you think Thor is even remotely comparable to PC superman in strength? Answer that and you will find why I asked you to stop.

Originally posted by JBL
Giving an opinion in a thread is now trolling superman and his fans? What is accusing people of hate that vote against superman only to be flooded by you and your kind with name calling? All one has to do is say.... i think superman lose..... and here you and your kind come spewing your " hate superman theory ". Want proof? 🤣

Where did I say you have a Superman hate history? Where did I accuse you of hate voting? Where did I call you names? Still waiting on that proof. Since there is none, I forgive you for false accusations. 😄

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Where did I say you have a Superman hate history? Where did I accuse you of hate voting? Where did I call you names? Still waiting on that proof. Since there is none, I forgive you for false accusations. 😄
So you have never agreed with star when he said me or someone else hated and lowball superman when they vote against him? 😄

Originally posted by JBL
So you have never agreed with star when he said me or someone else hated and lowball superman when they vote against him? 😄

No. I actually used to like Hulk until carver wore me out. Now I'm with the Mad Titan and Kal El.

Originally posted by Star428
I actually think that Surfer has the advantage against current Superman but PC Superman was an entirely different beast altogether. I've picked several characters to beat Superman so I'm not just saying PC Superman stomps just because Superman is my favorite character (actually PC Supes was kinda boring because he was way too powerful) but because I actually believe he does based on his insane feats. Nothing Surfer has done even begins to compare.

Are you new here? I think everyone here and their mothers know what Pre-Crisis Supes feats are. You don't have to claim ppl are ignorant of his feats just because they don't think Surfer gets one shotted. Supes sneezed away a Solar System due to Mxy's magic powder. Surfer has done ridiculous things too like effortlessly open up a blackhole, evolve entire planets billions of years in seconds, time travel, ability to see the future, easily destroy Suns, survive without a body as air molecules, then reform, etc. But I do think Pre-Crisis Supes wins.

It depends on what your definition of "new" is. I've been here since, IIRC, March or April of this year so I guess I'm relatively new. But, yeah, anyone who doesn't think PC Superman can one-shot Surfer if he's not holding back obviously doesn't know much about PC Superman. I don't really see what me being "new" has to do with it. Either way it doesn't change the fact that Surfer is no match for this version of Superman. But then, very few characters are. It's not like it's a knock on Surfer or anything.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Are you new here?

"No you!" 😆

Originally posted by Star428
It depends on what your definition of "new" is. I've been here since, IIRC, March or April of this year so I guess I'm relatively new. But, yeah, anyone who doesn't think PC Superman can one-shot Surfer if he's not holding back obviously doesn't know much about PC Superman. I don't really see what me being "new" has to do with it. Either way it doesn't change the fact that Surfer is no match for this version of Superman. But then, very few characters are. It's not like it's a knock on Surfer or anything.

Just the fact that you are trying to educate people about PC Supes, like you weren't aware that its common knowledge around here. Didn't Karate Kid do well vs PC Supes? Also, if we're going by Supes bloodlusted and at the height of his abilities (ignoring his low showings), we would do the same to Surfer. How exactly is he going to 1-shot him? What if Surfer goes intangeable? Or turns into molecules?

More/less, I tend to go with an overall feel of the character, ie, how powerful they are, what they are/should be capable of, because, yeah, feats can be very inconsistent, certainly for both PC Supes and Soarin' Norrin. Based on that, and given how outlandishly mighty Boring Swan Superman was (forget the solar-system sneeze; what about towing multiple planets across the universe -- and that he did as a boy!). Writers just went to town with him, trying to one-up the previous stories. I don't see Surfer lasting long against this level of power. I've sometimes wondered how well even Galactus would do against this Superman. He really was demigodlike...except when it came to kryptonite and company.

Given the extreme polar nature of PC Superman, he was also, often, taken down quite easily by anyone with a green, glowing rock. If Surfer uses weakness exploitation (including red sun radiation, iirc another major Achilles heel for PC Supes), then Superman goes down easier than he'd take down Surfer w/o w.e.

I'll bookmark this thread to prove how much of a blind troll Digi is biscuits

Originally posted by Mindship
More/less, I tend to go with an overall feel of the character, ie, how powerful they are, what they are/should be capable of, because, yeah, feats can be very inconsistent, certainly for both PC Supes and Soarin' Norrin. Based on that, and given how outlandishly mighty Boring Swan Superman was (forget the solar-system sneeze; what about towing multiple planets across the universe -- and that he did as a boy!). Writers just went to town with him, trying to one-up the previous stories. I don't see Surfer lasting long against this level of power. I've sometimes wondered how well even Galactus would do against this Superman. He really was demigodlike...except when it came to kryptonite and company.

Given the extreme polar nature of PC Superman, he was also, often, taken down quite easily by anyone with a green, glowing rock. If Surfer uses weakness exploitation (including red sun radiation, iirc another major Achilles heel for PC Supes), then Superman goes down easier than he'd take down Surfer w/o w.e.

Since this is a forum fight and not a comic fight where a character is subject to PIS and CIS then I seriously doubt Surfer would ever get a chance to do anything like "weakness exploitation" as Superman would take him out before Surfer even realizes what's happening.