Need Help With Physics Behind Thor Neutron Star Feat

Hi

I know this isn't related to Anime but from reading posts on other forums Anime fans seem to have a far better understanding of the physics behind feats that fans of other comic book genres so I was hoping someone could explain the physics behind a Thor feat?

In Thor 281 Thor is blasted by a Graviton Bomb and "is instantly subject to a gravimetric attraction akin to that of a neutron star.". He is then "pulled irresistibly down by the incalculable increase in local gravity and is quickly buried from view by an ever compacting mass of unimaginable tonnage".

We see him buried under a rectangular mountain of metal.

I know gravimetric can relate to weight and also gravity. The mass of a neutron star is 1.4 (or 1.5 according to other sources) that of our sun.

Neutron stars are city-size stellar objects with a mass about 1.4 times that of the sun. Born from the explosive death of another, larger stars, these tiny objects pack quite a punch. Let's take a look at what they are, how they form, and how they vary.

Neutron stars pack their mass inside a 20-kilometer (12.4 miles) diameter. They are so dense that a single teaspoon would weigh a billion tons — assuming you somehow managed to snag a sample without being captured by the body's strong gravitational pull. On average, gravity on a neutron star is 2 billion times stronger than gravity on Earth. In fact, it's strong enough to significantly bend radiation from the star in a process known as gravitational lensing, allowing astronomers to see some of the back side of the star.

I'm confused by the statements relating to gravimetric and mass. Does this mean Thor is buried under the weight of a neutron star or is subject to the gravitational pull of a neutron star? If the latter is the case what force is he exerting to tank the gravity 2 billion times stronger than Earth's gravity? Is it similar to the force required to move a planet?

I cannot post links as a newb but if you google Thor 281 Neutron Star you should see the images.

Originally posted by uberhulk
I'm confused by the statements relating to gravimetric and mass. Does this mean Thor is buried under the weight of a neutron star or is subject to the gravitational pull of a neutron star? If the latter is the case what force is he exerting to tank the gravity 2 billion times stronger than Earth's gravity? Is it similar to the force required to move a planet?

Was the two billion times gravity mentioned? Because the gravity on the surface of a neutron star should be well over two billion that of Earth's.

If it was two billion times his weight (weight = mass × 9.8 [m/s²]) then simply multiply his weight with two billion.

Originally posted by uberhulk
Is it similar to the force required to move a planet?

Well, to answer your question, I need a bit more details to go off of.

First, where did the mass come from that created the "rectangular mountain of metal.", because without knowing how much mass there is in this "mountain of metal", or at least how large it is, there's virtually no way to completely prove how much force he is resisting at this point.

However, simple gravitation and the factors present DO offer us a conclusion. A neutron star has a mass comparable to that of the Sun, but as it is only about 10 km (6 mi) in radius. Such condensation gives the star an average density of 1 quadrillion times that of water. Such a large mass in such a small volume produces an intense gravitational force. The gravitational field at the star's surface is about 2×10^11, or 200,000,000,000, or two hundred BILLION times stronger than on Earth. This means that objects ON a Neutron star(were that possible at all) would weigh 200 billion times more than on Earth.

From what you've shown, there is nothing to suggest that Thor is actually trapped under the same mass that is present in a neutron star, but I haven't seen the scans. Anyway, according to the wiki's, Thor weighs 640 pounds. This means that he would have weighed 128,000,000,000,000 pounds, or 64,000,000,000 tons under the gravitational pressure of a neutron star. Basically, this means that his mass and musculature are exerting force capable of doing something akin to swimming through a neutron star. However, this, again, depends on the type of mass, and amount of mass that exists IN the compact created by the gravitational force. This does produce a large variable, but not one really big enough to change the outcome.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Well, to answer your question, I need a bit more details to go off of.

First, where did the mass come from that created the "rectangular mountain of metal.", because without knowing how much mass there is in this "mountain of metal", or at least how large it is, there's virtually no way to completely prove how much force he is resisting at this point.

However, simple gravitation and the factors present DO offer us a conclusion. A neutron star has a mass comparable to that of the Sun, but as it is only about 10 km (6 mi) in radius. Such condensation gives the star an average density of 1 quadrillion times that of water. Such a large mass in such a small volume produces an intense gravitational force. The gravitational field at the star's surface is about 2×10^11, or 200,000,000,000, or two hundred BILLION times stronger than on Earth. This means that objects ON a Neutron star(were that possible at all) would weigh 200 billion times more than on Earth.

From what you've shown, there is nothing to suggest that Thor is actually trapped under the same mass that is present in a neutron star, but I haven't seen the scans. Anyway, according to the wiki's, Thor weighs 640 pounds. This means that he would have weighed 128,000,000,000,000 pounds, or 64,000,000,000 tons under the gravitational pressure of a neutron star. Basically, this means that his mass and musculature are exerting force capable of doing something akin to swimming through a neutron star. However, this, again, depends on the type of mass, and amount of mass that exists IN the compact created by the gravitational force. This does produce a large variable, but not one really big enough to change the outcome.

Thank you for the reply. There is no way to really determine how much mass he is buried under from the scans but you answered the question to my satisfaction.

Define "move," technically an iota of force is enough to move a planet. Or better yet, read up on Kepler's laws. [/B]

By move I literally mean lift, to pick up, not overhead but pick up.

Originally posted by uberhulk
Thank you for the reply. There is no way to really determine how much mass he is buried under from the scans but you answered the question to my satisfaction.

You're welcome. Glad I could help.

Also, if you wouldn't mind, could you post the scan? If you have it, that is. I'd just like to see it to know what you're specifically referring to.

Actually, I just found the scan. Here you go;

Pretty crazy feat, tbh. Yeah though, applying the approximate weight of that metal, 10 tons give or take, we can multiply it by the gravitational increase of a neutron star, and we then come up with a lifting feat for Thor of 2,000,000,000,000 tons. That's 2 trillion tons, give or take. That's an uber impressive feat, tbh. Still not even mentionable to Superman or Goku level, but still.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Actually, I just found the scan. Here you go;

Pretty crazy feat, tbh. Yeah though, applying the approximate weight of that metal, 10 tons give or take, we can multiply it by the gravitational increase of a neutron star, and we then come up with a lifting feat for Thor of 2,000,000,000,000 tons. That's 2 trillion tons, give or take. That's an uber impressive feat, tbh. Still not even mentionable to Superman or Goku level, but still.

He lifted the Midgard Serpent which was three times the length of Earth (Thor 372) and throw off the weight of 20 planets (Thor Annual 9). The heaviest thing PC Superman lifted was Pluto, the heaviest thing New 52 lifted was Brainiac's starship which was between 3-4 times larger than Earth (Action Comics 34) so by some distance Thor is stronger than Superman.

I cannot post scans until I have 20 posts. I have over 500 scans from comic books all sourced direct from the digital downloads and not from other websites. If you google

uberhulk dot imgur dot com you'll see my scans. They're all sorted into albums and titled.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Still not even mentionable to Superman or Goku level, but still.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Actually, I just found the scan. Here you go;

Pretty crazy feat, tbh. Yeah though, applying the approximate weight of that metal, 10 tons give or take, we can multiply it by the gravitational increase of a neutron star, and we then come up with a lifting feat for Thor of 2,000,000,000,000 tons. That's 2 trillion tons, give or take. That's an uber impressive feat, tbh. Still not even mentionable to Superman or Goku level, but still.

10 tons? I think we must do this by the dimensions formed after the metal was compressed by the gravity. Don't get me wrong but 10 tons of metal while exposed to the gravity of a neutron star would barely be visible to the human eyes yet in the scan the formation of the metal after exposed is quite visible.

Originally posted by uberhulk
He lifted the Midgard Serpent which was three times the length of Earth (Thor 372) and throw off the weight of 20 planets (Thor Annual 9). The heaviest thing PC Superman lifted was Pluto, the heaviest thing New 52 lifted was Brainiac's starship which was between 3-4 times larger than Earth (Action Comics 34) so by some distance Thor is stronger than Superman.

I cannot post scans until I have 20 posts. I have over 500 scans from comic books all sourced direct from the digital downloads and not from other websites. If you google

uberhulk dot imgur dot com you'll see my scans. They're all sorted into albums and titled.

Size doesn't necessarily equate to weight, or mass. And no, PC Superman pulled an enchanted chain with thousands of planets from one galaxy to another. That was probably his best feat. And New 52 Superman has a lot of feats more impressive than that, such as slamming Superboy Prime through Rao, lifting 200 quintillion tons(or was that New 52? I'm pretty sure it was) with one arm, and a bunch of other crap.

If your argument is that Thor is stronger than Superman, then you've already lost, lol. Superman has feats that make Thor look like an amoeba compared to a dinosaur.

Originally posted by themadsurfer
10 tons? I think we must do this by the dimensions formed after the metal was compressed by the gravity. Don't get me wrong but 10 tons of metal while exposed to the gravity of a neutron star would barely be visible to the human eyes yet in the scan the formation of the metal after exposed is quite visible.

Yeah, but we can also see that the visible mass of the metal didn't change that much, if at all. This makes that simply chock-able as faulty comic logics. Just like someone "destroying" gravity, in the first place.

Originally posted by NemeBro

He wasn't even using ki there. When he went SSJ, the flame aura that surrounded him was JUST the glow emitted by transforming. This has been explained many times to you, so I'm not gonna take the time to call this outlier, or a misunderstood feat by you. If you wanna bring this up, lets also bring up Superman losing to Karate kid, and Muhamed Ali. 👆 All the times these things happened, were because the characters were restraining their powers, to either test themselves, or train themselves.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta

Yeah, but we can also see that the visible mass of the metal didn't change that much, if at all. This makes that simply chock-able as faulty comic logics. Just like someone "destroying" gravity, in the first place.

I think that in this case the writer was actually thinking about this(but not the artist lol), since he wouldn't talk about being "buried in an ever COMPACTING mass of UNIMAGINABLE tonnage" if there were barely 10 tons of mass in there.

Originally posted by themadsurfer
I think that in this case the writer was actually thinking about this(but not the artist lol), since he wouldn't talk about being "buried in an ever COMPACTING mass of UNIMAGINABLE tonnage" if there were barely 10 tons of mass in there.

Well it depends on the type of mass we have in the first place, because all metals have different masses. Not only do we not know the amount of weight, but we also don't know what kind of mass it is. Anyway, it IS clear that the author and the illustrator were not both on the same page. From what we're given, we can see that the author DID clearly intend for it to be equivalent to swimming through a neutron star, even if the mass isn't the same.

Still though, this chocks up to faulty comic logics, as we also just saw Thor destroy gravity, by throwing it. 😐

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Well it depends on the type of mass we have in the first place, because all metals have different masses. Not only do we not know the amount of weight, but we also don't know what kind of mass it is. Anyway, it IS clear that the author and the illustrator were not both on the same page. From what we're given, we can see that the author DID clearly intend for it to be equivalent to swimming through a neutron star, even if the mass isn't the same.

Still though, this chocks up to faulty comic logics, as we also just saw Thor destroy gravity, by throwing it. 😐

Agreed, but Thor didn't destroy gravity he busted the metal far away and long enough for him to throw the hammer and destroy the alien ship that was controlling the gravity device that was on Thor.

Originally posted by themadsurfer
Agreed, but Thor didn't destroy gravity he busted the metal far away and long enough for him to throw the hammer and destroy the alien ship that was controlling the gravity device that was on Thor.

But gravity doesn't work that way. My point is that if the center of gravity was at Thor's stomach, then he would have been compressed into a miniature black hole, along with the metal. Metal doesn't just stay metal under the pressure present in a neutron star. It is refined down to base matter, and compacted into a sphere of ever-compacting matter. If anything, the metal would have fused with Thor's skin, even assuming that he could have avoided being turned into base matter.

And to blast the center of gravity away from yourself, you would have to be attracting it somewhere else, with a stronger center of gravity.

What I'm saying is that that scan was a mess of logical, and scientific fallacy's.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
But gravity doesn't work that way. My point is that if the center of gravity was at Thor's stomach, then he would have been compressed into a miniature black hole, along with the metal. Metal doesn't just stay metal under the pressure present in a neutron star. It is refined down to base matter, and compacted into a sphere of ever-compacting matter. If anything, the metal would have fused with Thor's skin, even assuming that he could have avoided being turned into base matter.

And to blast the center of gravity away from yourself, you would have to be attracting it somewhere else, with a stronger center of gravity.

What I'm saying is that that scan was a mess of logical, and scientific fallacy's.

I agree, the metal should have been ridiculously compressed on him. But that's what the writer tried to demonstrate and the artist didn't catch that, maybe because It has no logic lol.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
[B]Size doesn't necessarily equate to weight, or mass. And no, PC Superman pulled an enchanted chain with thousands of planets from one galaxy to another. That was probably his best feat.[i]

No, he pulled about 13 planets and that was Silver Age Superman. (Superboy 140, 1967). The chain wasn't enchanted.

And New 52 Superman has a lot of feats more impressive than that, such as slamming Superboy Prime through Rao, lifting 200 quintillion tons(or was that New 52? I'm pretty sure it was) with one arm, and a bunch of other crap.

I think you mean into Rao, not through Rao and 200 quintillion tons is considerably less than the mass of Earth, which is considerably less than the mass of a score of planets - the most weight Thor has lifted.

If your argument is that Thor is stronger than Superman, then you've already lost, lol. Superman has feats that make Thor look like an amoeba compared to a dinosaur.

Complete and utter nonsense. Thor's strength feats are vastly superior to Superman's best strength feats. They're not even comparable. 20 planets > 1 planet. Not to mention Thor's vastly superior striking power and durability.

an 8 year old bump? lol