Thanos vs Juggernaut

Originally posted by Stoic
You clearly don't go by what happens in comics or we wouldn't be debating whether or not Tyrant was a Herald. Galactus never made him to be a Herald, he was made to be nearly as powerful as Galactus. What next? You going to convince yourself that Galactus is a Herald as well? I wouldn't be surprised since you have said in the past that Odin had less than high Herald strength. This seems to be where this is taking us. It also has nothing to do with Thanos beating the mess out of Cain.

Odin has high herald level strength. Not more. Remember, superman is a lot stronger than most characters. A lot stronger.

Originally posted by h1a8
You and I have a different definition of Tank. My view of Tank is to no sell an attack. Thanos never did such a thing. I don't care if Thanos wasn't koed, he was still affected. that proves he can be affected by herald level force. Even if he had one showing of no selling a high herald (he doesn't) then it wouldn't hold much water since Thanos has been affected many many times by high heralds or lower in his entire career. Just look at his history.

You are making Thanos into something he is not. We go by feats and not speculation.

I'm for the Juggs who is invulnerable without the forcefield, as per some writers. That's the one I'm arguing. Mentioning Juggs low showings doesn't measure his strength. We seen Juggs overpowering Hulk with ease, matching WWH in strength, about to crush the living hell out of Thor, etc. Juggs is very strong. He has always affected Heralds with his attacks.

Tanking and no selling are two different things. Thanos has tanked High Herald physical assaults. He may not have no sold them.

As for the Juggernaut being used in this thread, you have to first understand the nature of his invulnerability, and how it effects him, and his opponents. Cain can use all of his strength without undermining his natural durability, unlike those that are not enchanted like he is. Wonder Man may only be able to use 50-60% of his full strength while battling a character that is more durable than he is. But when he is more durable, he can use more of a percentage of his strength. Cain does not have this problem, or better put, his damage threshold is much greater than Wonder Man's due to his increased durability.

If you took away the enchantment that grants Cain his freakish magical armor, he would still possess the durability that a character of his strength level would have, which would be roughly as durable as Wonder Man, or perhaps even lower judging by how easily Thor beat him up, which began to cause bruising, soon to become bleeding.

When Cain fights the Hulk, the same theory applies. The Hulk may be stronger, in terms of lifting, but Cain's magical nature makes him more durable, which effectively stymies the Hulk's advantage only allowing him to use a percentage of his strength against Cain, or he will risk suffering damage. Try it. Punch a brick wall, or bite a piece of steel with all of your might. You get it? Now give the Hulk Adamantium gloves with sufficient cushioning for his knuckles, and his punching power will increase dramatically.

Cain in this thread as I understand it, will only be relying on his durability without the magical enchantment that allows for him his high level of invulnerability. Let's just see if Time Immemorial
agrees with what I just wrote.

Originally posted by h1a8
galactic did make Tyrant to be a herald. A herald is just a name or duty anyway. It has no bearing on anything.

Odin has high herald level strength. Not more. Remember, superman is a lot stronger than most characters. A lot stronger.

Wrong.

In the distant past, the devourer of worlds, Galactus, created an immensely powerful living machine: Tyrant. However, unlike his creator, Tyrant developed a lust for tyranny and conquest that directly conflicted with Galactus' desire to do only what is necessary to survive. Tyrant's conquests aroused opposition in many forms including an order of super-powered female warriors called the Spinsterhood, of which Ganymede was a member.

Eventually, Galactus learned of Tyrant's betrayal and engaged him in a titanic battle that unleashed energies that (according to Thanos) destroyed whole galaxies.

In the end, Galactus barely defeated Tyrant, stripped him of the bulk of his power (thereby reducing him to his current stature and power levels), and banished him to the farthest corners of the universe. The Spinsters mistakenly believed they were responsible for driving Tyrant away, when in fact it was his defeat and depowerment at the hands of Galactus that had done so, as Ganymede later learned.

Tyrant was never a Herald of Galactus.

Odin can amplify his strength, which is something that you can't seem to grasp. When he does this, his strength becomes far greater than any Herald level character.

Originally posted by deathslash
are you seriously saying that thanos takes this fight in a stomp when just last week he was getting his shit pushed in by nova, drax, and starlord?

This is a spite thread.

Juggernaut's outclassed here.

Originally posted by Stoic
Wrong.

[b]In the distant past, the devourer of worlds, Galactus, created an immensely powerful living machine: Tyrant. However, unlike his creator, Tyrant developed a lust for tyranny and conquest that directly conflicted with Galactus' desire to do only what is necessary to survive. Tyrant's conquests aroused opposition in many forms including an order of super-powered female warriors called the Spinsterhood, of which Ganymede was a member.

Eventually, Galactus learned of Tyrant's betrayal and engaged him in a titanic battle that unleashed energies that (according to Thanos) destroyed whole galaxies.

In the end, Galactus barely defeated Tyrant, stripped him of the bulk of his power (thereby reducing him to his current stature and power levels), and banished him to the farthest corners of the universe. The Spinsters mistakenly believed they were responsible for driving Tyrant away, when in fact it was his defeat and depowerment at the hands of Galactus that had done so, as Ganymede later learned.

Tyrant was never a Herald of Galactus.

Odin can amplify his strength, which is something that you can't seem to grasp. When he does this, his strength becomes far greater than any Herald level character. [/B]

Is spite thread calling the new troll now?

Juggernaut's hardly out classed. Some very good points have been made in his favor, they're just being ignored.

Originally posted by h1a8

Do I believe non holding back high end Superman is stronger than Galactus? Hell yes! Do I believe Galactus is stronger than Thor? Yes.

And this is why you have zero credibility on these boards. Your world only makes sense to you.

Originally posted by riv6672
Is spite thread calling the new troll now?

Juggernaut's hardly out classed. Some very good points have been made in his favor, they're just being ignored.

It's not like Thanos won't use his powers...he's Thanos...

Like i said, ignoring arguments.

That doesnt make a thread spiteful, it makes posters biased.

Irony

Anyone who says Cain has a chance is a moron.
I used to be one of the most biased Juggernaut fans when I joined in 2005.

He is simply too dumb to beat Thanos he can just knock of his helmet off and mindrape him.

I'm going to be a smart poster and ignore that remark. 😉

Originally posted by KingD19
Thor went physical with Cain without forcefields during the Octessence/Exemplar arc. Cain tanked a full force Mjolnir hit and laughed it off. He would have beaten Thor pretty bad if not for him getting teleported away by the demons to meet the other Avatar's.

lolwat.

- Exemplar arc was full of PIS.

- Thor had just gotten out of TWO FIGHTS when he fought Cain.

- Enrakt was weakening Mjolnir at the time.

So not only was a "full force mjolnir" hit all that much, but at the time Cain was depicted without a forcefield. Even when Cain was tapping into the limits of his powers during that arc, there was no indication of there being any forcefield.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you did know that took place at the end of imperative right. Good of you to ignore the fact the only did some damage after they'd attacked Thanos with the cube.

Originally posted by deathslash
I wasn't trying to lowball. I was making a point about everyone having a low showing and therefore using juggernaut getting beaten down by Thor as the norm is ridiculous. Juggernaut getting beaten down by Thor isn't his normal level of power and so is thanos getting wrecked by nova, drax, and starlord.

It just so happens that the point you're trying to use is them using a item of great power

Originally posted by Insane Titan
but that was your point as that how you work.

It just so happens that the point you're trying to use is them using a item of great power

What is the exact power output of a nearly depowered cosmic cube?haermm

Originally posted by Stoic
Tanking and no selling are two different things. Thanos has tanked High Herald physical assaults. He may not have no sold them.

As for the Juggernaut being used in this thread, you have to first understand the nature of his invulnerability, and how it effects him, and his opponents. Cain can use all of his strength without undermining his natural durability, unlike those that are not enchanted like he is. Wonder Man may only be able to use 50-60% of his full strength while battling a character that is more durable than he is. But when he is more durable, he can use more of a percentage of his strength. Cain does not have this problem, or better put, his damage threshold is much greater than Wonder Man's due to his increased durability.

If you took away the enchantment that grants Cain his freakish magical armor, he would still possess the durability that a character of his strength level would have, which would be roughly as durable as Wonder Man, or perhaps even lower judging by how easily Thor beat him up, which began to cause bruising, soon to become bleeding.

When Cain fights the Hulk, the same theory applies. The Hulk may be stronger, in terms of lifting, but Cain's magical nature makes him more durable, which effectively stymies the Hulk's advantage only allowing him to use a percentage of his strength against Cain, or he will risk suffering damage. Try it. Punch a brick wall, or bite a piece of steel with all of your might. You get it? Now give the Hulk Adamantium gloves with sufficient cushioning for his knuckles, and his punching power will increase dramatically.

Cain in this thread as I understand it, will only be relying on his durability without the magical enchantment that allows for him his high level of invulnerability. Let's just see if Time Immemorial
agrees with what I just wrote.

Yea you make a great point. The arguments have varied a lot for Thanos and Juggs with shields etc. Some have written him with shields, and without but still he has always had his uber durability. Many arguments I noticed heavy relied on his shielding. However he still has insane durability from his armor.

Juggernaut wrecks this chump!!!!! 😱