Originally posted by AuraAngel
The new movie basically explains why Beerus got hurt by Vegeta: let his guard down.Beerus also busted 2 suns which is more than I can think of for Gogeta unless you wanna accept a universe buster.
Not saying I recall much of GT though but watching the fight left a lot to be desired for Gogeta.
Well it's obvious that he let his guard down. But that doesn't change that he was still a source of godly ki, and that Vegeta damaged him without godly ki. Proving that regular ki CAN affect godly ki. Which disproves the entire argument against me, and that any character STRONGER than SSJG Goku could do very well against Bills. And at twice as strong as him, they could contend with Whiss, even more than Goku did against Bills.
Originally posted by bbrem123
Whis says to goku and vegeta "a body without ki is a fragile thing. Even for a god." Or something around the lines of that
What does that have to do with the price of pocket puss-E's in Japan?
Bills still got hurt by regular ki. And he was clearly using godly ki, as that's the only kind he has. So... You have absolutely no argument here, whatsoever.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
What does that have to do with the price of pocket puss-E's in Japan?Bills still got hurt by regular ki. And he was clearly using godly ki, as that's the only kind he has. So... You have absolutely no argument here, whatsoever.
The new movie has Goku get hit by a character weaker than Zarbon(more or less). When a person isn't prepared to take a hit he will get hurt. Beerus wasn't prepared for Vegeta to go ham.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Suns? Bills destroys galaxies casually. He destroys solar systems just from getting angry.
We are given a story recounting his destruction of a sun. Either or both are better than anything Gogeta has done, to my knowledge anyway.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
The new movie has Goku get hit by a character weaker than Zarbon(more or less). When a person isn't prepared to take a hit he will get hurt. Beerus wasn't prepared for Vegeta to go ham.We are given a story recounting his destruction of a sun. Either or both are better than anything Gogeta has done, to my knowledge anyway.
So you've seen the movie? Online or something? If so, then I would appreciate a link or something. If not, then what you're saying doesn't matter. Yes though, a character not prepared to take a hit can be hurt by something less than normal, akin to a sneak attack. But Bills was VERY CLEARLY ready to fight Vegeta. And he DID punch him in the face before Vegeta even started the combo. What this proves is that regular ki can triumph over godly ki, putting quantity over godly ki, if there is enough of it. Godly ki is just slightly different. It's not magically unaffected by regular ki.
And SSJ4 Gogeta? He punted away a negative karma ball, which was called a universe buster by the kai's. And not to mention that Gogeta's feats are vastly superior to that anyway, given he effortlessly trounced Omega, when even SSJ2 GT Goku could solo the DBZ verse. I can prove it again, if you'd like, though you could just scroll back through the comment section on here. 👆
Synopsis has been out for ages and it is consistent with the Dragonball manga released recently. It also answers several hitherto strange events. And while Beerus did punch Vegeta he was very clearly shocked that his love tap didn't hurt Vegeta when he'd knocked him out of Super Saiyain before with them. Surprise leaves you open to pain.
For a universe buster there seems to be a universe still around. A statement without showings, or other factors, is like a dog with no bite. I also watched the episode with the Negative Karma ball but I didn't hear any universe busting statements. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place.
But even if Omega could destroy the Universe what was he planning? Was he killing himself? No universe means no place for him. If he tanks it then does that mean Nova Shenron's Nova Sphere is stronger than the universe buster?
And if SSJ2 Goku is stronger than Beerus then why does SSJ4 Goku need to shoot Baby into the sun to make sure all of his cells are gone? Beerus could casually blow up two of them. If SSJ4 Goku has more power then why bother with the sun thing at all?
Nah. Up until the sun busting feat the gods in Battle of the Gods were still lacking for feats. The best was Beerus tearing through multiple moons but that kinda lacks due to the uncertainty of the size. GT powerscaling is just very ridiculous.
But now that we have sun busting as a feat the story kinda changes. Mostly because it is recounted as an actual event, which holds more weight than, say, Cell claiming he can blow up the solar system. But it also has far reaching implications. An exploding sun comes with a super nova. Perhaps it counts as a durability showing as well? Or maybe the reason Whis claims it was dark was because they got sucked into a black hole?
What I'm saying is that it is quite silly imagining the two of them in a black hole muttering how inconvenient that all is. Of course I could be pushing the feat too far but hey.
spoiler of whis vs goku and vegeta.
Nah, that shouldn't be taken seriously.
Ryusei Nakao(the Japanese voice actor for Freeza) jokingly stated in an interview that Freeza's BP might be around 100 quintillion:
-By the way, how high do you suppose Freeza’s battle power has gotten now?
RN: He’s a nice guy, so maybe 100 quintillion?*Nakao is making a pun on Freeza being a “nice guy” (ナイスガイ; naisu gai) and his battle power being a “hundred quintillion” (垓; gai).
Aside from the joking nature of his statement, Nakao is also just a voice actor. He certainly isn't a in a position to 'canonize' a BP of that magnitude.