Naruto: So Long!

Originally posted by Damborgson
Plenty of memories from this garbage. Some good, some bad. Share a few of your favorite moments and a few of your least liked ones too 🙂

Here's a few:

Part 1

Favorite moment: The chapters where Itachi was introduced. The ass kicking he handed my at the time favorite Kakashi made me a fanboy on the spot.

Least favorite: Not a lot I didn't like in part 1. But I guess it was the dissapointment of seeing form 2 sasuke after seeing how cool his first curse mark stage was. "Are those...giant webbed hands sticking out of his back?"

Part 2: Favorite: Hidan being introduced. This guy ended before his time.

Least favorite: the whole Kaguya mess.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Jokes on you, Tzeentch and Neme hate the story. 👆

Wikipedia defines plot holes as "a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."

Kisame and Orochimaru's appearances would be plot holes had, at some point, it been established in the manga that there were no weird-looking humans walking around.

This never happened. Kisame and Orochimaru's strange appearances are IIRC not remarked upon once (Kisame's I am almost certain hasn't been, Oro maybe). In this regard, their appearances and the lack of commentary on them could be compared to the genre of magical realism, though Naruto is different in that the setting itself is far from a mundane setting. Which is another way of saying it's fantasy. You don't ask why there is a talking monkey man that can turn into a bo staff, why do you not only ask why Kisame has sharkish features, but also tout it as one of the manga's biggest problems? Your analysis of the work is amateurish and misguided.

This discussion is stupid. No one bitches about Whitebeard being twenty feet tall, or Gecko Moria being some weird blue-skinned mother****er (who is also twenty feet tall). One Piece is also a fantasy setting which does not need to explain something like this, because its presence is treated as a given. Much like the appearances of Orochimaru and Kisame.

Stick to criticizing the things Naruto actually gets wrong. There is no shortage of them.

Originally posted by NemeBro
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Wikipedia defines plot holes as "a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."

Kisame and Orochimaru's appearances would be plot holes had, at some point, it been established in the manga that there were no weird-looking humans walking around.

This never happened. Kisame and Orochimaru's strange appearances are IIRC not remarked upon once (Kisame's I am almost certain hasn't been, Oro maybe). In this regard, their appearances and the lack of commentary on them could be compared to the genre of magical realism, though Naruto is different in that the setting itself is far from a mundane setting. Which is another way of saying it's fantasy. You don't ask why there is a talking monkey man that can turn into a bo staff, why do you not only ask why Kisame has sharkish features, but also tout it as one of the manga's biggest problems? Your analysis of the work is amateurish and misguided.

This discussion is stupid. No one bitches about Whitebeard being twenty feet tall, or Gecko Moria being some weird blue-skinned mother****er (who is also twenty feet tall). One Piece is also a fantasy setting which does not need to explain something like this, because its presence is treated as a given. Much like the appearances of Orochimaru and Kisame.

Stick to criticizing the things Naruto actually gets wrong. There is no shortage of them.

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I am personally more bothered by Konan's blue hair than Obito being a Karma Houdini who gets to have sweet sweet underage sex with a 12 year old in heaven.

Originally posted by NemeBro
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( One Piece diatribe )

Stick to criticizing the things Naruto actually gets wrong. There is no shortage of them.

Keep in mind Oro's appearance has always been like this since childhood.

Naruto doesn't have Magic, or supernatural elements like most Shonen stories outside of giant talking animals; everything is explained to a tedious length.

Both Oro & Kisame being Hybrids don't make sense after Naruto got rid of the "demons" subplot with the Tailed beasts being just potent sentient chakra.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
we had multiple people talk about Orochimaru's weird abilities/Appearance like Ibiki Morino & The Third Hokage.

Show me.

Keep in mind Oro's appearance has always been like this since childhood.

Yep, cause he was born that way.

Naruto doesn't have Magic, or supernatural elements like most Shonen stories outside of giant talking animals; everything is explained to a tedious length.

Yes it does. Don't be an idiot. That it is called "chakra" instead of "magic" doesn't change the fact that it is indeed magic. It's a catch-all term for shit that can allow a human being to shit on the laws of physics. It's magic.

Both Oro & Kisame being Hybrids don't make sense after Naruto got rid of the "demons" subplot with the Tailed beasts being just potent sentient chakra.

They're not hybrids. Just strange-looking humans.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
we had multiple people talk about Orochimaru's weird abilities/Appearance like Ibiki Morino & The Third Hokage.

Keep in mind Oro's appearance has always been like this since childhood.

Naruto doesn't have Magic, or supernatural elements like most Shonen stories outside of giant talking animals; everything is explained to a tedious length.

Both Oro & Kisame being Hybrids don't make sense after Naruto got rid of the "demons" subplot with the Tailed beasts being just potent sentient chakra.

Ibiki thinks of Orochimaru as a snake in human form. He is 100% correct. Hiruzen is more interested in how Orochimaru is dabbling in jutsu to make himself immortal.

He was pale as a child. Sai is pale. The Hyuuga are even a little pale. And Sai's child is just terrifyingly pale.

Ninjutsu or Genjutsu...it must be some magic!

You dismiss magic but are fine with demons?

Naruto has aliens and zombies yet Orochimaru's appearance is for some reason the thing that is the worst: Even though he's not the only pale-skinned character in the series and his snake traits we explained with experiments.

Also would still like to know how Hashirama died but whatever.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Ibiki thinks of Orochimaru as a snake in human form. He is 100% correct. Hiruzen is more interested in how Orochimaru is dabbling in jutsu to make himself immortal.

He was pale as a child. Sai is pale. The Hyuuga are even a little pale. And Sai's child is just terrifyingly pale.

Ninjutsu or Genjutsu...it must be some magic!

You dismiss magic but are fine with demons?

Chakra is HEAVILY explained, "magic" isn't.

Demons when EXPLAINED in the story is fine. It is the Universe the Author pens, when they remove the Supernatural you get left with major plot holes.

You still don't actually know what a plot hole is.

Get out of my thread.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Naruto has aliens and zombies yet Orochimaru's appearance is for some reason the thing that is the worst: Even though he's not the only pale-skinned character in the series and his snake traits we explained with experiments.

Also would still like to know how Hashirama died but whatever.

Being dismissive of a Hybrid as "a pale guy" is strikingly stupid...

Reasons for odd appearences in Naruto:

Clan stuff; possible for Kisame, We know Oro's family wasn't special
Outside effects; we see him as a child so nope
Transformations;^

That's it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You still don't actually know what a plot hole is.

Get out of my thread.

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Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Oro is pure White, with Snake eyes and Purple "bags"(idk what they are)

Chakra is HEAVILY explained, "magic" isn't.

Demons when EXPLAINED in the story is fine. It is the Universe the Author pens, when they remove the Supernatural you get left with major plot holes.

And our main heroine has pink hair. And Ino lacks pupils. And Danzo has an arm made of plant goop and eyeballs.

Luckily for us ninjutsu and genjutsu are indeed magical. They require the use of an internal force of energy we do not have in the real world to do something impossible by any sort of scientific means. Magic.

Dude, did you miss the fact that one character summoned a god? And then another person managed to kill it? Or that reincarnation clearly exists? The supernatural is clearly present, as is magic.

Also, Kurenai and her father and daughter have eyes with an extra ring on them, without having any of the special eyes.

Naruto's son bolt inherited his whisker marks.

Kidomaru has extra arms!

Again, I said some clans have odd appearances. Oro doesn't belong to such.
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Why was Kakashi Hokage? Naruto was stronger, and a better leader at the time.

Now that is a complaint I can get behind. Less because Naruto is better but more because I don't understand why Tsunade retired.

Kakashi was arguably weaker than Yamato at that point...

Yeah, I guess it had something to do with Oro turning good then immediately disappearing.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
The manga had a lackluster ending cause Naruto becoming Hokage became less of a goal to strive to and more of a title he could have been handed around Pein saga in terms of achievements. The whole Kaguya/Madara/Obito thing prolonged this simple act that would have closed the manga on a high note

I would have genuinely been okay with it ending as Pein being the final boss. Obito, except not Obito.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Again, I said some clans have odd appearances. Oro doesn't belong to such.
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Bigger dumb thing

Why was Kakashi Hokage? Naruto was stronger, and a better leader at the time.

Stronger? Easily.

Better leader? Eh.....

Originally posted by Damborgson
I would have genuinely been okay with it ending as Pein being the final boss. Obito, except not Obito.

Last I remember, Pein Arc was the point that kick started the story's qualitative nosedive, so yeah... this. 👆