Originally posted by thingy150
Hmm i have not seen this, can i get scans? also wraith does not have a way to overload him considering his powers are nothing like firestorms.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He simply overloaded Cap with city buster nuclear shots. Wraith was the nuclear bomb in Nagasaki which blew the whole city with energy blasts. Do the math.
Captain atom will be fighting to the peak of his ability and you and me both know him losing to firestorm is pis(if he lost to him, i have yet to see scans)
You have yet to explain how wraith stops from being turned into a pancake.
^👆 Exactly, it is also true for Dcotor Manahttan. We don't know the cap of their abilities because they never defeated someone noteworthy, but this doesn't mean that they are abstract in level.
Originally posted by thingy150
Spectre, galactus and LT are reality warpers also so that has no basis in this argument. WBH however would not be able to hurt him...again he could turn him into a waffle.also just saw zeus i missed him reading through, zeus is a magical god with divine powers who also has no basis in this argument.
Do you even have an argument? You have stated no reasons as to why you think wraith can win and you have countered absolutely zero of my points
ALSO CAPTAIN ATOM WOULD ABSORB HULKS RADIATION AND REVERT HIM BACK TO BANNER.
Still they could use physical strength and WOULD hurt CA. What you can't grasp it seems is that your no limits fallacy dosn't work. CA can be hurt by physical means, if his opponent is physically powerful enough. Take juggernaut, he was considered immune to physical harm, yet if someone powerful enough comes along, he gets hurt. That is why we need also some feats and fights, to see what the cap of a ability is. In CA case his invulnerability. If Spectre, without his matter manip powers, would amp himself and strike physically, he certainly would damage him for example. Most likely Wraith would be able to do the same as CA never defeated anyone even close to this level or tanked physical damged dished out by a being of such a level. I hope you get the point now and see the fault in your "logic".
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
^👆 Exactly, it is also true for Dcotor Manahttan. We don't know the cap of their abilities because they never defeated someone noteworthy, but this doesn't mean that they are abstract in level.Still they could use physical strength and WOULD hurt CA. What you can't grasp it seems is that your no limits fallacy dosn't work. CA can be hurt by physical means, if his opponent is physically powerful enough. Take juggernaut, he was considered immune to physical harm, yet if someone powerful enough comes along, he gets hurt. That is why we need also some feats and fights, to see what the cap of a ability is. In CA case his invulnerability. If Spectre, without his matter manip powers, would amp himself and strike physically, he certainly would damage him for example. Most likely Wraith would be able to do the same as CA never defeated anyone even close to this level or tanked physical damged dished out by a being of such a level. I hope you get the point now and see the fault in your "logic".
I f*cking love the fact that you know nothing about captain atom and that this statement is based purely off of you speculating, he is not a physical being and you have used zero scans/feats to support your argument.
Captain atom is a reality warper, he will turn wraith into a f*cking goldfish.
Just because you do not have a argument of your own does not mean you have to make things up.
You are making claims and still you have yet to back them up, you argue without logic and you make things up to support your argument.
you cannot and have not provided scans so stop embarrassing yourself.
Originally posted by thingy150
I f*cking love the fact that you know nothing about captain atom and that this statement is based purely off of you speculating, he is not a physical being and you have used zero scans/feats to support your argument.Captain atom is a reality warper, he will turn wraith into a f*cking goldfish.
Just because you do not have a argument of your own does not mean you have to make things up.
You are making claims and still you have yet to back them up, you argue without logic and you make things up to support your argument.
you cannot and have not provided scans so stop embarrassing yourself.
I love the fact that you can't grasp your faulty logic tbh.
You have no argument except what you believe and a no limits fallacy. CA isn't beyond the physical damage of a being of wraiths caliber till he proofes it by defeating a being of such power, got it now?
He never turned anyone on Wraiths level into a Goldfish, you got to proof that he can do it, with fights and feats.
And this is where you become just a childish fanboy. ^^ Good luck with that attitude.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I love the fact that you can't grasp your faulty logic tbh.You have no argument except what you believe and a no limits fallacy. CA isn't beyond the physical damage of a being of wraiths caliber till he proofes it by defeating a being of such power, got it now?
He never turned anyone on Wraiths level into a Goldfish, you got to proof that he can do it, with fights and feats.
And this is where you become just a childish fanboy. ^^ Good luck with that attitude.
You cant prove wraith can hurt him, that is where your fault is. The entirety of your argument is based upon speculation, he has brought people back from the dead, he can travel through time, he can give/take away powers, he is faster than the flash, he took out mongul. The power level of wraith does not stop captain atom from using his reality warping, are you really so childish as to think wraith can stop reality warping with durability.
Your argument is nonexistent, i have been using feats to support my claims and you have been arguing about something you cant prove. Do you know how reality warping works?
DURABILITY DOES NOT STOP REALITY WARPING!!!
YOU SPELLED PROVES WRONG YOU IDIOT.
Originally posted by thingy150
You cant prove wraith can hurt him, that is where your fault is. The entirety of your argument is based upon speculation, he has brought people back from the dead, he can travel through time, he can give/take away powers, he is faster than the flash, he took out mongul. The power level of wraith does not stop captain atom from using his reality warping, are you really so childish as to think wraith can stop reality warping with durability.Your argument is nonexistent, i have been using feats to support my claims and you have been arguing about something you cant prove. Do you know how reality warping works?
DURABILITY DOES NOT STOP REALITY WARPING!!!
YOU SPELLED PROVES WRONG YOU IDIOT.
You can't prove he is immune to physical harm by beings above him, that is where your fault is. The entirety of your argument is based upon speculation, he has never defeated anyone above a HH or at HH levels, he has never defeated anyone noteworthy, he has never taken away powers from Herald level beings, he is not faster as the flash, they were talking an flash wasn't even trying, the Mongul feat is from a future and not canon and there he was defeated easily by MM, who went easy on him instead of beating the shit out of him. I am wise enough to know that everyone has limits, as does CA as shown in his fight against Firestorm. His powers are not limitless and the limit comes with the beings he fights, and he never defeated a Herald. Grow up.
Your argument is nonexistent, I have shown you CA lack of feats to destroy your claims and you have been arguing about something you can't prove. Do you know what a no limits fallacy is?
REALITY WARPING HAS LIMITS!
GOOD ATTITUDE; BOY!
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
You can't prove he is immune to physical harm by beings above him, that is where your fault is. The entirety of your argument is based upon speculation, he has never defeated anyone above a HH or at HH levels, he has never defeated anyone noteworthy, he has never taken away powers from Herald level beings, he is not faster as the flash, they were talking an flash wasn't even trying, the Mongul feat is from a future and not canon and there he was defeated easily by MM, who went easy on him instead of beating the shit out of him. I am wise enough to know that everyone has limits, as does CA as shown in his fight against Firestorm. His powers are not limitless and the limit comes with the beings he fights, and he never defeated a Herald. Grow up.Your argument is nonexistent, I have shown you CA lack of feats to destroy your claims and you have been arguing about something you can't prove. Do you know what a no limits fallacy is?
REALITY WARPING HAS LIMITS!
GOOD ATTITUDE; BOY!
LOL martian manhunter is a TP wraith is not....
Again this firestorm fight you keep talking about(you have yet to show me scans and i am almost positive it did not happen) even if it did happen it does not agree with caps other new 52 feats.
I have stated multiple feats and my argument is solid, you have literally just pulled shit out of your ass, you make things up and have not once proven cap atom can be harmed physically. Your argument is based on nothing but things you have made up yourself. Wraith has zero feats to put him on par with captain atom who is a reality warper who can CONTROL TIME AND SPACE ITSELF, you have not shown any feats of him being harmed physically(because he has not).
Captain atom can also go INTANGIBLE, he could solidify right inside of wraith or as i said turn him into a waffle.
WITH HIS REALITY WARPING HE COULD TAKE AWAY WRAITHS POWER, HE HAS SHOWN TO BE ABLE TO GIVE AND TAKE POWERS.
WAIT A MINUTE IT NEVER SAYS NO BFR, CAPTAIN ATOM CAN TELEPORT AND HAS TELEPORTED TO THE VERY EDGE OF THE UNIVERSE(as a with he granted to someone)
ATOM DOES NOT EVEN NEED TO FIGHT HE CAN JUST BFR.