Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane knows every move Savage can make with his saberstaff, his lightsaber mastery is vastly superior to the brutes.
None of that makes Bane more skilled that Savage, who has he beaten without or balisks or a nexus other than Featless Sirak that surpasses Plo Koon or Ventress?
Originally posted by carthage
None of that makes Bane more skilled that Savage, who has he beaten without or balisks or a nexus other than Featless Sirak that surpasses Plo Koon or Ventress?
Originally posted by WildBantha88
Actually it does but since you only count win/loss record as a way to gauge a characters skill I can see why you would be blind to the meaning of that fact
Originally posted by Nephthys
You mean because he has basically no actual lightsaber training or grasp of the forms? 😉
Lol knowledge of forms doesnt make Bane a "skilled" duelist, it means he has technical knowledge of those forms. If he hasnt incorporated them in combat and won, who cares. By your logic Cin Drallig and Kas'im >>> other duelists like Kun or Dooku because they know more forms.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
He quite obviously does, otherwise he wouldn't be able to face the bladework of Council-level duelists without being skewered.I was more referring to the manner in which he uses the weapon--I mean, Djem So and Lus-ma with a saberstaff? That's pretty unconventional.
No, not obviously. He gets by with pure power and strength coupled with whatever he learned as a Nightbrother, but it's pretty obvious that his actual training in using a lightsaber is extremely minimal. He's only been using one for a few months. He had a tiny bit of training from Dooku and probably some from Maul but it's barely a drop in the bucket.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He's only been using a lightsaber for a few months.
The same could be said about Bane in PoD, really. He's trained under Maul and Dooku and was at least somewhat proficient in the use of polearms beforehand. Were he not adequately skilled, no, brute strength would not save him from the intricate bladework of someone like Ventress.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
The same could be said about Bane in PoD, really. He's trained under Maul and Dooku and was at least somewhat proficient in the use of polearms beforehand. Were he not adequately skilled, no, brute strength would not save him from the intricate bladework of someone like Ventress.
Bane has an insane learning rate and a genius IQ though, and he spent all his time training, increasing his knowledge and power etc. Dooku obviously couldn't devote too much time to training Savage and didn't appear to anyway and we only saw Maul beat Savage up once as training to my knowledge.
I'm not saying Savage isn't adequately skilled, I was the one who brought up his Nightbrother training afterall, just that he has extremely minimal training in using a lightsaber and obviously lacks a decent grasp of the forms. He competed with Ventress with pure brute force, as is pretty clear from watching the fight imo.
You need to be a truly masterful fighter who is in perfect attunement with his weapon in order to use a Saberstaff, otherwise you're at risk of cutting yourself in half with the slightest error. Savage went from being stomped by Dooku to competing evenly with Plo Koon, Asajj Ventress and at times, Kenobi, after Maul trained him. Even if we don't know what Form he used or if he used one at all, he's pretty obviously more than just raw strength. I lose brain cells every time someone says that.
Originally posted by ILS
You need to be a truly masterful fighter who is in perfect attunement with his weapon in order to use a Saberstaff, otherwise you're at risk of cutting yourself in half with the slightest error. Savage went from being stomped by Dooku to competing evenly with Plo Koon, Asajj Ventress and at times, Kenobi, after Maul trained him. Even if we don't know what Form he used or if he used one at all, he's pretty obviously more than just raw strength. I lose brain cells every time someone says that.
👆 And let's not forget that he defeated Adi Gallia as well. While she's not the most revered lightsaber mastery, she was noted amongst the rest of the council to have a very unorthodox fighting style.
I conceded that he was more, just not much more. Anyone with a few brain cells could look at Savage's fights and see that there's not a lot of skill in them. I'm seriously watching them all right now and he mostly just wildly swings.
Also Savage fought Ventress and Obi-Wan before his training with Maul. And he beat Adi Gallia by force pushing her into a wall and skewering her with his horns. Not with his lightsaber skill.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Gallia and Savage seem pretty closely matched in skill actually, which is more a feat for Gallia admittedly. Although she was stomping MagnaGuards during the Republic comic series, which may be retconned due to the fact Grievous now isn't the one who killed her, but it shows that she's still capable of doing so.
👆 And let's not forget that he defeated Adi Gallia as well. While she's not the most revered lightsaber mastery, she was noted amongst the rest of the council to have a very unorthodox fighting style.
Originally posted by NephthysCalling them wild swings is just your interpretation, though, and they obviously get the job done regardless.
I conceded that he was more, just not much more. Anyone with a few brain cells could look at Savage's fights and see that there's not a lot of skill in them. I'm seriously watching them all right now and he mostly just wildly swings.Also Savage fought Ventress and Obi-Wan before his training with Maul. And he beat Adi Gallia by force pushing her into a wall and skewering her with his horns. Not with his lightsaber skill.
Even better, and him killing her with TK/horns doesn't negate the fact he dueled evenly with her leading up to that.