Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This is debatable though. If what Beast says about the war in Vietnam and people being drafted shortly after the school started is true, Havok had been fighting in a warzone for roughly a decade. And seeing as he was part of a whole crew of mutants (along with the visible increase in control and skill with his powers), it's a safe bet to assume that they were using their abilities during the war. So I would argue that their training/combat experience is probably on par with each other.
I can't imagine that a 20 year old kid trained by humans to fight a human war for a handful of years would be a superior fighter to an adult Mutant trained by Mutants to fight dangerous Mutants for the length of his adulthood.
Originally posted by Quincy
I can't imagine that a 20 year old kid trained by humans to fight a human war for a handful of years would be a superior fighter to an adult Mutant trained by Mutants to fight dangerous Mutants for the length of his adulthood.
You're underplaying fighting in an actual war, and you have his age wrong as well. He is around his late teens/early twenties when First Class takes place. He's closer to 30 by the time of DoFP, and had been fighting there for probably a decade. Any soldier/fighter/combatant will tell you that actual front line experience teaches you more than training in a safe environment does.
Cyclops never displays these amazing skills you build him up to have. His record in the movies is actually pretty poor. Leads the X-Men into a trap in X1. Walks into a trap with Xavier in X2 and gets mind controlled. Has a crying moment and then dies in X3. Only thing he is shown to posses above Alex is some h2h skill.
And I never once claimed Alex is a superior fighter, simply based on the war. I said that their combat skills/experience is probably on par. But, based on his showing in DoFP, he is slightly quicker on the draw. If you watch the first X-men trilogy, there is always a slight delay where the visor opens before Cyclops fires, and in a face off like this one, a split second makes a lot of difference.
Originally posted by Robtard
Cyclops, due to having perfect aim from the nature of his attackAlso, Havok was lame, but that's neither here nor there
Neither really lived up to expectations IMO. Havok was poorly cast and Cyclops was poorly written.
Originally posted by Placidity
So basically you realized you're an idiot and had no response? Gotcha + 👆
No, I simply see no point in wasting time on someone who comes into a thread and posts things that are not only irrelevant to the fight, but have actually already been pointed out, and then tries to act superior (despite making no useful contribution to the thread whatsoever) and tries to bait me into an argument.
But then, you're the guy who thinks that someone who moves at regular human speed can block a barrage of AK47 fire using just swords, so I shouldn't be surprised. Anyway, I am done wasting my time on you. There are people on this forum who are actually worth talking to.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
No, I simply see no point in wasting time on someone who comes into a thread and posts things that are not only irrelevant to the fight, but have actually already been pointed out, and then tries to act superior (despite making no useful contribution to the thread whatsoever) and tries to bait me into an argument.But then, you're the guy who thinks that someone who moves at regular human speed can block a barrage of AK47 fire using just swords, so I shouldn't be surprised. Anyway, I am done wasting my time on you. There are people on this forum who are actually worth talking to.
But you already said you would ignore me in your previous post, so I think that makes you a liar, or my little b1tch - which is it?
I'm so glad you remember comments I posted long ago. I don't remember it that well myself, but I must have handed your ass to you so badly that you are so bitter. Yes that's right, beneath your thin facade of candidness, lies a load of steaming sour refuse.
I think we shall go with "Little B1tch" (LB) 👆
So despite a certain troll who apparently lacks comprehension skills above that of a 5-year-old (or the ability to tell the difference between a question and a statement), and conveniently forgets threads where multiple people owned his ass, trying to derail the thread, most people agree that Havok would probably take it? Good to know.
Hopefully X-men: Apocalypse will do a better job with Scott than what has been done so far. I thought James Marsden did the best he could with what he had, but the writers screwed him over. And maybe we will find out how/if the two characters in this thread are related.