A Proposed Amendment for the MVF Rules

People have been sending me PMs asking for an amendment to the MVF rules that they feel would help the flow of thread discussion, so here is the thread where we can all discuss said proposal.

Basically, this amendment would allow legitimizing the source material of a movie/movies when said movie or series of movies is based on another source, such as books, manga/anime, and comic books.

Some people feel that "Movie feats only" is a hindrance to the productivity of threads about certain topics and would like to see specific source material allowed for future debates.

Just to be absolutely clear, this proposition does NOT mean that comic book/book/etc feats will be allowed. It strictly means that background source material will be allowed. I should have clarified that better.

The poll is listed and it's in the hands of everyone here.

Yea, or nay? Why or why not?

It's going to be an "Everything Vs" forum them.

Unless the original source (book, comic etc) is used to fill in unknown/unexplained aspects of the film, but the original source shouldn't supersede the film in the MVF, if there should be conflicting information.

eg, if film MoS should show immunity to magic, then that is canon as far as the MVF is concerned, even though it goes against decades of source material

That's a tough call. On the one hand, we get deeper explanation of how things work in the source material. But oftentimes they abilities of their cinematic counterparts don't sync up.

I personally don't have a problem with the movie canon taking precedence. However, when something is not explained by the movie, for whatever reason (time constraints for example) then having the source material on hand is preferable to "If it's not in the movie it is illegal".

Basically it's closing a technicality loophole.

I don't have a problem with non-film sources as long as they are canon to the films.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I don't have a problem with non-film sources as long as they are canon to the films.

This is pretty much what I say.

If the movie contradicts the canon source material, the source material should trump the movie.

If we need more information from the canon source material, it should be used.

So, for Twilight, the books clarify quite a few things as there are far better explanations of their powers in the books.

Same with LotR. I can think of a few threads where being able to use the explanations from the books would have resolved some thread-lock.

Same with HP.

Originally posted by Impediment
People have been sending me PMs asking for an amendment to the MVF rules that they feel would help the flow of thread discussion, so here is the thread where we can all discuss said proposal.

Basically, this amendment would allow legitimizing the source material of a movie/movies when said movie or series of movies is based on another source, such as books, manga/anime, and comic books.

Some people feel that "Movie feats only" is a hindrance to the productivity of threads about certain topics and would like to see source material allowed for future debates.

The poll is listed and it's in the hands of everyone here.

Yea, or nay? Why or why not?

Just to be absolutely clear, this proposition does NOT mean that comic book/book/etc feats will be allowed. It strictly means that background source material will be allowed. I should have clarified that better.

Originally posted by Impediment
People have been sending me PMs asking for an amendment to the MVF rules that they feel would help the flow of thread discussion, so here is the thread where we can all discuss said proposal.

Basically, this amendment would allow legitimizing the source material of a movie/movies when said movie or series of movies is based on another source, such as books, manga/anime, and comic books.

Some people feel that "Movie feats only" is a hindrance to the productivity of threads about certain topics and would like to see specific source material allowed for future debates.

The poll is listed and it's in the hands of everyone here.

Yea, or nay? Why or why not?

Yea

it seems like a great idea

...until the topic involves a star wars character and expanded-universe zombies come lurching and referencing every last lucasarts-licensed paperback as irrefutable evidence.

I say yea

HMMMM

Originally posted by Impediment
Just to be absolutely clear, this proposition does NOT mean that comic book/book/etc feats will be allowed. It strictly means that background source material will be allowed. I should have clarified that better.

I agree to this.

Originally posted by Impediment
People have been sending me PMs asking for an amendment to the MVF rules that they feel would help the flow of thread discussion, so here is the thread where we can all discuss said proposal.

Basically, this amendment would allow legitimizing the source material of a movie/movies when said movie or series of movies is based on another source, such as books, manga/anime, and comic books.

Some people feel that "Movie feats only" is a hindrance to the productivity of threads about certain topics and would like to see specific source material allowed for future debates.

The poll is listed and it's in the hands of everyone here.

Yea, or nay? Why or why not?

I'd say no.

Originally posted by Impediment
Just to be absolutely clear, this proposition does NOT mean that comic book/book/etc feats will be allowed. It strictly means that background source material will be allowed. I should have clarified that better.

I agree with this proposal... For example me and clownshoes were discussing Gandalf and he was says he's not a maia because it never says so in the movie. That makes zero sense to me as we know what he is and where he came from because, other, more detailed sources (which the movie is based on) tells us.

IMO is a movie is based directly on a book.. than material from both should carry equal weight. If a feat is in a book but didn't make it to the big screen it should still count. However, if a movie is based on a character who's been in multiple comic book for example.. then those feats from multiple comics don't count.. only the movie. That's ideally how I'd like to see things done. If this isn't acceptable to most.. Than at the VERY least...

Source material should count as far as background information about abilities... history etc etc even if feats from the book don't directly count (unless they did it in the movie as well)

Originally posted by NemeBro
Like with what? Lord of the Rings and shit?

I'd say no.

I just referenced this is my previous post. It absolutely should count. Someone says Gandalf isn't a Maia because that name isn't ever said in the movie... That's retarded. We know what he is. If you mean all stuff from the Sim. shouldn't all count.. I get that to a point. But some of it should absolutely count.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I agree with this proposal... For example me and clownshoes were discussing Gandalf....

Lolz and profiled.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I just referenced this is my previous post. It absolutely should count. Someone says Gandalf isn't a Maia because that name isn't ever said in the movie... That's retarded. We know what he is. If you mean all stuff from the Sim. shouldn't all count.. I get that to a point. But some of it should absolutely count.

What if the vision in the films was a more down to earth, less superhuman portrayal (as evidenced by Gandalf's relatively unimpressive showing against the Balrog)?

Nah, **** that.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Look, I get that you want Galadriel to be a fortress obliterating badass and all, but why should we give them feats that don't exist in the films?

What if the vision in the films was a more down to earth, less superhuman portrayal (as evidenced by Gandalf's relatively unimpressive showing against the Balrog)?

Nah, **** that.

So Gandalf isn't a Maia then because it was never said in the movie? Forget feats for a moment.. I'm referring to background material only right now

To your question, yes. Giving Gandalf Maiar status that was never stated is just as bad as giving Hulk comic levels of power he hasn't displayed. ONLY fiction canon to the films should be applied, not fiction the films were adapted from. Also, should a canon source contradict the film, it is the film whose merit counts the most.