The Dark Warriors

Factual statements rarely are.

I think the most sensible match ups are:

Scourge vs Wrath
Maul vs Ulic
Malak vs Malgus

Team 2 just about wins because of Malgus beating Malak. Though Ulic might beat Maul and the Wrath might beat Scourge as well.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Casually making Revan and Bastila look like pansies with TK>overloading fuel cells with a one-off force scream, throwing rocks, and ragdolling Jedi (Which Malak has also done.)

Not really. Leviathan!Revan and Bastila weren't that impressive.

I don't think Ulic could beat any iteration of Maul. They'd be close, close fights, but Ulic's feats aren't quite up to scratch. And if it's TPM Maul, he's facing a weapon he is utterly unfamiliar with.

Weren't you hyping Ommin like crazy just yesterday? And Ulic was able to tank his shit and beat him. Plus he deflected cannon-fire from a Basalisk War Droid, so I doubt Maul will be capable of harming him with the Force. And he has appeared in multiple places at once well before his prime, so his speed is clearly up to scratch with Mauls, if not higher. Matching Kun for strength is indicative of Maul levels too. In terms of skill he's also equal to or above Maul based on his Kun and Sylvar fights.

And I doubt he'd be that unfamiliar with the weapon based around his own masters creation.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In terms of skill he's also equal to or above Maul based on his Kun and Sylvar fights.

Proof?

I kind of thought the fights were the proof.....

Originally posted by Nephthys
1. Weren't you hyping Ommin like crazy just yesterday? And Ulic was able to tank his shit and beat him. Plus he deflected cannon-fire from a Basalisk War Droid, so I doubt Maul will be capable of harming him with the Force.

2. And he has appeared in multiple places at once well before his prime, so his speed is clearly up to scratch with Mauls, if not higher.

3. Matching Kun for strength is indicative of Maul levels too.

4. In terms of skill he's also equal to or above Maul based on his Kun and Sylvar fights.

5. And I doubt he'd be that unfamiliar with the weapon based around his own masters creation.

2. Maul has done this is as well, and then some if we're talking about travel speed. They're quite close in terms of speed but if there's to be a difference, it's in Maul's favour.

3. I agree, his strength is probably on par with Maul's. For what strength feats we do have for him, which includes throwing an armored Mandalorian with one arm (something Maul has done as well, coincidentally), Ulic has shown that he's incredibly strong, at least enough to hold his own with Kun if not match him.

4. Nah. I say Kun is like, a quarter to a half a tier below Maul in terms of sheer lightsaber skill. Obviously past that Kun has some advantages in a duel like altering his lightsaber settings, but that only applies to his saberstaff, which Ulic didn't fight against. So yeah, Ulic matching Kun and contending but not pushing an offence against Sylvar doesn't put him above Maul.

5. Not wholly unfamiliar but it'd be conjecture to suggest he's ever fought against one and would be prepared for it.

Not without context.

Now if you wanted to shoot for Ulic's in the ballpark as Maul (giving you room to maneuver), but you've committed to the notion that Ulic is Maul's equal or better, which is a pretty tall claim you haven't supported.

But... you already know the context and so does ILS. 😬

Don't be difficult, bro.

Originally posted by ILS
1. Which are great showings of willpower/shields. And while I agree Maul would have a hard time pushing his weight with TK, it's not something that will never, ever happen.

2. Maul has done this is as well, and then some if we're talking about travel speed. They're quite close in terms of speed but if there's to be a difference, it's in Maul's favour.

3. I agree, his strength is probably on par with Maul's. For what strength feats we do have for him, which includes throwing an armored Mandalorian with one arm (something Maul has done as well, coincidentally), Ulic has shown that he's incredibly strong, at least enough to hold his own with Kun if not match him.

4. Nah. I say Kun is like, a quarter to a half a tier below Maul in terms of sheer lightsaber skill. Obviously past that Kun has some advantages in a duel like altering his lightsaber settings, but that only applies to his saberstaff, which Ulic didn't fight against. So yeah, Ulic matching Kun and contending but not pushing an offence against Sylvar doesn't put him above Maul.

5. Not wholly unfamiliar but it'd be conjecture to suggest he's ever fought against one and would be prepared for it.

1. He ran through Ommin's attack with the power of the lightside, not willpower. Doing that to someone as powerful as Ommin before Ulic improved and gained a Sith amulet that amped his power indicates to me that Maul would have to catch him off guard to affect him with the Force.

2. I know, that's why I compared the two, The difference is that Ulic did it early in the comics and became greatly more powerful afterwards, so I see it the other way around. If theres an edge, it's Ulic's.

3. 👆

4. I did say equal to or above, not strictly above.

5. Well in either case this is SoD Maul. So it doesn't matter.

1. Okay, I don't really care either way lol.

2. The same could be said about Maul's pre-TPM speed feats, a time period where he was progressively getting more powerful. He then received an exponential increase in power when entering TCW. So there shouldn't be a real disparity in speed if we're using the "before he hit his prime" argument. If anything, it's in Maul's favour.

4. I'd say he's equal at best, personally, but I think we agree they're close at least.

5. Indeed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But... you already know the context and so does ILS. 😬

Don't be difficult, bro.

It's a very precise level you've ascribed that your post doesn't support.

Originally posted by ILS
1. Okay, I don't really care either way lol.

2. The same could be said about Maul's pre-TPM speed feats, a time period where he was progressively getting more powerful. He then received an exponential increase in power when entering TCW. So there shouldn't be a real disparity in speed if we're using the "before he hit his prime" argument. If anything, it's in Maul's favour.

4. I'd say he's equal at best, personally, but I think we agree they're close at least.

5. Indeed.

1. Ok. On the flipside, Ulic doesn't have much offense with the Force besides bursts of darkside energy that while power probably won't do too much to Maul.

2. I don't think it's ever stated that he received in exponential increase in power as of TCW. He was greater, but it was never stated to be a large increase. By contrast Ulic should receive a hefty boost from his amulet on top of his further developed power and prowess. Plus Maul may be hampered in his movement speed by his legs.

4. Yeah, I originally said they were even with a possible edge to Ulic. Their fight is seen as not effecting the overall fight to me, it'll be decided in other areas.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
It's a very precise level you've ascribed that your post doesn't support.

Hardly. My post was vague and imprecise on purpose. I was summarising.

1. Agreed.

2. Savage and Jason Fry have both said he gained a power increase, and his feats have seen a drastic increase.

4. Agreed/noted.

Like I said, he increased in power. But it hasn't been confirmed to be by a significant amount. And he's just seen a drastic increase in actually performing feats imo, and he's feats haven't been that drastically above his previous ones in terms of speed and dueling.

If you want a comparison, in Star Wars: Darth Maul, he launches a TK blast that stumbled five Black Sun. In TCW he was hurling dozens of soldiers and droids through the air. There's a clear difference in power.