Originally posted by ILS
If there was ever to be a thread which would cause a schism between me and Fated, this would be it.Going with Quinlan and Savage.
lol, well, to be fair, Shaak Ti is more graceful than Quinlan
(I feel i should clarify, before people take this out of context, this is just a little joke 😛 )
Galen Marek isn't a match for Vader in a duel, period. Only reason he did well against him in their final duel was due to knowing his form in and out, and having an advantage in speed. Outside of that the only people Galen has beaten, and with difficulty might I add, are featless or unimpressive duelists. Shaak stomping him is blatantly nothing to suggest she could stomp Vos, who is largely superior to Marek.
You seriously underrate Shaak Ti and Marek. He very much was a match for Vader, and flat out beats him in sabers in the book. His knowledge of Vader's form was matched and exceeded by Vader's own knowledge of Mareks form, since Marek explicitly noted that Vader had held back in the past and had never come at him like he was then.
Actually, it's only noted that Marek knows Vader's form, not the reverse. But setting that aside, because I do believe Vader would know Galen's form, it's still what allowed the fight to be so prolonged. A good point of reference would be Kenobi vs Anakin, Kenobi being a full tier behind Anakin as a duelist.
Also, Galen had these advantages against a version of Vader who was beaten by a resurrected TPM Maul who was more or less toying with him for like 15 pages. So not only did Shaak Ti beat a version of Galen whose only claim to any high level of skill is beating a Vader who was a couple of tiers behind TPM Maul, with two circumstantial advantages, but Galen actually improved as a duelist after the Ti fight and in general as he progressed, so Ti beat a shittier version of Galen to the one who fought Vader.
People need to stop acting like circumstance doesn't exist to benefit characters they like or detriment characters they dislike.
Actually, Marek says that he knows Vader's form from fighting him so many times. So obviously the reverse is true unless Vader was fighting with his eyes shut the whole time. Marek notes that he learned to fight from Vader. And right, except that Marek gained the upper hand in their duel, so clearly he didn't just have enough to prolong the fight. He hits Vader multiple times.
Pretty sure that Maul fight has been solidly retconned. Plus Vader contending with Maul for 3 pages is still solidly above anything Vos has in him.
And right, except that Marek gained the upper hand in their duel, so clearly he didn't just have enough to prolong the fight. He hits Vader multiple times.The novel stated that Galen landed the fight-winning blow because he was faster than Vader, not more skilled.
You didn't reply to some of my points in your post, i.e Galen's gradual improvement ect.
Pretty sure that Maul fight has been solidly retconned. Plus Vader contending with Maul for 3 pages is still solidly above anything Vos has in him.Not that I know of, and people on this board still use it to gauge Vader's skill.
Except Maul was toying with Vader in that fight, and when Vader got his first significant blow in that fight, which was cutting the saberstaff, Maul ended the fight in a single page, decisively. Prime Vos isn't someone who loses to Maul in a single page. So Galen's only claim to skill with the circumstances involved and the quality of the opponent explained properly, is absolutely inferior to Vos' showings, and then by proxy Shaak Ti dominating a shittier version of Galen still isn't enough to be better than Vos.
Originally posted by ILS
The novel stated that Galen landed the fight-winning blow because he was faster than Vader, not more skilled.You didn't reply to some of my points in your post, i.e Galen's gradual improvement ect.
That still makes him a more effective and superior duelist to Vader. Especially consiering that Vader's speed feats even as of that time are above Vos'. And Shaak Ti was also noted to be beating Marek through speed, not skill.
I don't believe it's stated that he gradually improves in lightsaber skill and dueling tbh.
Originally posted by ILS
Not that I know of, and people on this board still use it to gauge Vader's skill.Except Maul was toying with Vader in that fight, and when Vader got his first significant blow in that fight, which was cutting the saberstaff, Maul ended the fight in a single page, decisively. Prime Vos isn't someone who loses to Maul in a single page. So Galen's only claim to skill with the circumstances involved and the quality of the opponent explained properly, is absolutely inferior to Vos' showings, and then by proxy Shaak Ti dominating a shittier version of Galen still isn't enough to be better than Vos.
The Maul in that comic completely clashes with the Maul from TCW and events that occured after its publication. And it comes from a time when Maul was still thought to have died on Naboo. And besides, even in the comic it's unknown if it's really Maul.
Isn't it kind of just your opinion that he was toying with him? It wasn't as one-sided as you say and you're being highly disingenuous with that one page thing. Vader contended with Maul far longer than Vos could ever do. Plus there is that thing of PROXY mimicking Maul's style and Marek kicking his ass.
And Galen has a lot more claims to skill than just that. I've already told you that his lightsaber skills were "almost perfect", yet rather hypocritically you refuse to change your mind on his ability. Vos' only claim to fame is not getting shat on by Sora Bulq. Marek would beat him comfortably.