ROTS Sidious vs. ROTJ Sidious

Started by Lord Stark2 pages

ROTS Sidious vs. ROTJ Sidious

Which Sidious is superior? One is superior in sabers, the other in the force.

The zecond one .....

Not sure.

...Palpatine, like most Force Wielders, gains power over time. I'd bet on ROTJ. I'm not so sure he's lost much, if any of his dueling skills. At most, his younger self might have a stamina advantage, but that's it.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sidious is far too frail as of ROTJ to wield a lightsaber any better than Vitiate. So this comes down to Force Abilities, where I believe Vitiate would get the edge.

lol

Yhea but he iz a thith zuffering from mazziv phyzical degradationz .....
Zo he looze in phyzical abilitiez -- > Light zaber zkill ....
Zo the firt one iz more polyvalent ....

Probably ROTS Sidious.

ROTJ Sidious probably won't be even close to his peak in Sabers. And I see no real reason to think his Force powers were far superior by ROTJ either.

Nearly 25 years to sit on his ass and meddle with the Force probably has increased his potency by a fair margin.

Plus pretty sure RotJ novel says he is at the height of Dark power or some such.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Nearly 25 years to sit on his ass and meddle with the Force probably has increased his potency by a fair margin.

By that theory Yoda should have been a Force god. Clearly all characters reach a peak level at some point, and would only then improve by learning new Force knowledge or whatever.

Therefore improvements have to be either stated or shown in some capacity.

Chances are looking at how Sidious was physically at that point, it's unlikely he'd be as good as his ROTS self in Sabers.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Plus pretty sure RotJ novel says he is at the height of Dark power or some such.

Pretty sure that's Vader.

Isn't there something in the either Rise of Darth Vader or one of those Luceno novels suggesting he and the Dark Side as a whole got more powerful as the Great Purge went on?

I'm fairly certain it's stated about both of them now I think about it.

Oh and didn't Labyrinth of Evil or RotS say that Yoda lost his edge slightly in physical matters but had never been stronger in the Force?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
By that theory Yoda should have been a Force god. Clearly all characters reach a peak level at some point, and would only then improve by learning new Force knowledge or whatever.

In that case, during his reign as Emperor Palpatine amassed an astounding amount of force knowledge from all over the galaxy and delved deeper into the darkside than he ever had.

From Nova's respect thread:

Palpatine affected the simple clothing of a simple man, but drew his powers of persuasion and control from the blackest depths of the dark side of the Force. While the Force has twisted his face, it has also sustained him well beyond his years, and even in his old age the Emperor remains a figure of terrible power.

- The Complete Visual Dictionary

Originally posted by Nephthys
In that case, during his reign as Emperor Palpatine amassed an astounding amount of force knowledge from all over the galaxy and delved deeper into the darkside than he ever had.

Depends what he learned though.

If he was learning how to create a force storm for instance, that would only help him in combat once he can actually do that.

Maybe he was learning essence transfer, but again that wouldn't aid him in a Saber fight.

So unless he's specifically stated to have become "more powerful" than he was, I see no reason to think he could match his ROTS Counterpart in combat. But that's just me.

Thi iz a way before RotJ !!!!!! 27 galactic yearz of reign !!!!!

I believe TPM / RotS has better physical and dueling skills / stats.

On the other hand RotJ Sidious may have become more powerful in the force.

Originally posted by ILS

This is RotS Sidious.

As of RotJ Sidious has devoted vast amounts of time to studying the dark side of the force. He sought to become immortal, (in the new canon at least) how to bend reality, performed many dark and twisted experiments on Byss, accumulated vast amounts of force knowledge, and more besides.

So I'd assume Sidious powers have increased by a rather large amount.

As for sabers, impossible to tell.

RotJ Sidious should be weaker. Using Force excessively makes body decay, so he shouldn't be as fit as he used to be.

Considering Plagueis' training regimen there is no way Sidious didn't reach his prime by RotS.

Originally posted by Marco1907
I believe TPM / RotS has better physical and dueling skills / stats.

On the other hand RotJ Sidious may have become more powerful in the force.

This is RotS Sidious.

Let us call him : "transition sidious."
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Yhea remeber DE sidious clone.... What the massiv using of the force have consequenceses on his body....

Post Purge Sidious only has lightning feats pretty much, doesn't he? Ashing squads of stormtroopers and whatnot?

Originally posted by Trocity
Post Purge Sidious only has lightning feats pretty much, doesn't he? Ashing squads of stormtroopers and whatnot?

He have great light zaber feat but that'z clozer to the Purge than hiz dead....