Billion + believe in Satan. Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?

And so it is that along with star, sun, and moon symbols, Satan or Lucifer is represented by lightning or representations of lightning. You can verify this for yourself quite easily. Just type in "Satan" and "Lightning" as a search in Google images. Instantly you will find yourself confronted with images from both popular culture, especially the music industry, and images from officially devil-associated places like the Church of Satan. You'll even find the Nazi "SS" symbol. It is a ... "meme" for lack of a better word, that nearly always represents him.

This particular clip, taken from the movie Kill Zone aka Sha Lo Pang is haunting. Play it on a computer with good streaming capability and listen carefully to the music. Echoes the kind of New Age music I hear by composers associated with the Middle Americas.

This haunts because one premise I've become widely familiar with is that Satan masquerades as the god or even Pantheon of gods of numerous cultures.
One reason I kept on mentioning the names of Lucifer was that the name APOLLO is actually given in the Bible for him (Apollyon). In other words, Satan was the Greek god Apollo. Arguably, he is/was also the god "Ba'al".
Beings or gods associated with plague, and bloodletting, and human sacrifice.

Shaky's comment about religious "tolerance" brings this home. God in the Old Testament IS intolerant of other religions. It gets overlooked, however, in this politically correct age, that some religions we SHOULD be intolerant of.
For some religions are absolutely anti-life and murderous, and from all accounts many of the gods and followers of these supposed gods were murderous as well.

Echoed in this clip here. For that music in the Middle Americas style brings to mind the sun-worshipping cultures of the Maya, Incans, and Aztecs.

Especially the Aztecs. In my next post, perhaps, I'll give a link to what even Wikipedia has to say about their culture, the number of people sacrificed in the name of appeasing their god, thousands upon thousands "sacrificed" in a way remarkably reminiscent of what we see here.

The title of the song ... is "Store of the SUN".

Be warned. This IS violent ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZs48lJXhxM&lc=xQ2TAR639Cm9tjCzPPvU5PUDlrBv-HH94IT4JHkQ6y0

Originally posted by Wonder Man
I think God should be a common talk in the home.
I don't know that we have to go as far as at school as well.

Check the stats on who knows religion the best. Believers or non-believers. You will see how ignorant of their own religions believers are.

For example. Most mainstream religious hierarchies now favor evolution and recognize its veracity while way too many believers still believe in a six day creation.

How stupid is that when believers do not believe their own hierarchies and do not trust their judgements.

Literalists are stuck in the Dark Ages.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Star428
I should've been more clear in my original post. I've always known deep down that the OP is just a Satan wannabe. All one has to do is look at the deceitful trash he posts on an almost daily basis and his "talking snake" avatar. But, he at least makes claims with some of his statements that he is an atheist. I mean afterall, he said in his original post "we must save our kids from the belief in the supernatural" and the foolish belief in creationism. I've always realized that he's just a liar like his idol, the Prince of lies: Satan.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy.

Your God is the father of all lies.

Matthew 10: 16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Don't be such a wolf.

I am sorry if I expose the idiocy and immorality of your literal belief of myths. Not.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The religion forum is perhaps the most challenging I've found on KMC.
Any other place I would balk at the way you're framing this. Actually, I still do.

But I've also found that traditional guidelines don't work very well here.
I don't think I've ever called anyone names. I usually, instead, describe actions.
I would refrain from calling GreatestIAm a liar. On the other hand, it is extremely difficulty to have a meaningful conversation without at the least mentioning that there seems to be a ... disconnect of sorts with some of the things he says versus some of the OTHER things he says.

From the Christian perspective, Gnosticism is Luciferianism, an alternate form of Satanism. It would be difficult for things to be otherwise as Lucifer and Satan in the Bible are, arguably, indistinguishable from one another.
Most would probably say Lucifer IS Satan, and I myself find no good reason to argue differently.

Christians also see Eden as our fall while the Jews who own that myth saw it as man's elevation. Gnostic Christians, by reversing the Christian view are bringing the story back to the way it was originally meant to be understood.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/20/comparative-theodicy/

That is why Jews do not have Original sin. Both man and God leave Eden as winners.

In the Christian interpretation, both man and God are seen as losers. Man with Original sin and God as a murderer of A & E because he forcibly stops them from accessing the tree of life.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
There's a point at which stated distinctions do not make much of a difference.

Lucifer APPEARS differently than Satan for most, but, if they are, in fact, the [b]same being ... ?

Also, I don't recall saying GreatestIAm is evil.
Or telling him he would go to hell. [/B]

Gnostic Christians are Universalists.

The only saving we need is to be saved from ignorance and literal reading of myths. As you will know, that Christian practice is what ushered in the Dark Age and Inquisition.

So in fact, we do not believe in a Satan or Devil and blame person to person evil on evolution and the fact that we must compete against each other for resources.

We do not believe in a demiurge either but have put that character in our myths because in the day they were written, people did not understand evolution the way we do today.

The belief in supernatural entities is quite foolish and that is why our schools should be teaching the various creation myths more intelligently than what churches teach.

All churches are liars.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by red g jacks
to be fair he could just think he's deceived by satan. doesn't necessarily make him evil. plus greatest i am hasn't exactly been shy about blasting other people's religions so fair game imo.

I agree. Reciprocity is fair play and in discussions and debate, nothing is off limits.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by red g jacks
i think everything is a work in progress tbh, religion included. being a godless heathen myself i obviously don't believe in divinely inspired writing in general.

but to be perfectly blunt i do prefer some religions over others. fundamentalist islam is probably my least favorite aside from some fringe ones like scientology and black hebrews.

You might get a kick out of my next O.P.

Have a sneak preview. No comment required. I have yet to proof it but I tend not to change what I write much.

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Will Islam defeat Christianity because it practices what it preaches while Christianity does not?

As a Gnostic Christian, I recognise the immorality of both Christianity and Islam but have noted that Islam follows its immoral tenets more than Christianity does theirs.

You will note how Islam tries to have Sharia law installed as the law of the land where they have the numbers while Christians intelligently never promote the implementation of Christian law.

I see both sets of these ancient Abrahamic sets of laws as quite barbaric and vile and not worthy of modern man and have noted that the world seems to agree as few countries follow religious laws. Most countries are not nearly so barbaric and backward thinking and have a better sense of justice.

Thank all the Gods for that.

I see Islam as trying to force the world into a Dark Age just as Christianity did when they had the power that Islam now yields.

Do you think they will succeed the way Christianity did and do you think Islam will be as brutal to the rest of the world as Christianity was if Islam can gain power by defeating Christianity and other religions?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
For the record, I was not and am not trying to personally attack GreatestIAm.

The problem is precisely that Gnosticism IS connected to Lucifer, because it is tightly connected to the story of Creation, God, the Garden of Eden, and knowledge and wisdom, which Gnosticism asserts Lucifer, as the snake, helped BRING to mankind.

It is simply not possible to talk about Gnosticism in a meaningful way without connecting it to Lucifer.

When talking of our myths and how we see Christian myths, you are correct. But we see the serpent, if controlled at all as being controlled by a wise Sofia, not an evil entity.

In speaking of reality, there is neither character.

Things like evil, wisdom, goodness cannot be personified in the real world.

Only fools will think mythical personifications to be real.

Hence the need to make sure our schools do not send more fools into the world who believe such garbage.

Regards
DL

g.i.a.... you ever read this?

Originally posted by red g jacks
g.i.a.... you ever read this?

No. I understand that the author is often linked to Gnosticism but have not read him.

There is a lot of art out there that is called Gnostic. Sometimes I see it sometimes not.

Our myths are understandable but more complicated than what Christianity has. Fact is, I did not need them to force my apotheosis and read most of them after it.

Since then, I recognize that any myth or belief can and should be internalized to activate our higher mind or third eye and I have concentrated on getting that message out as well as trying to show Christians the immorality of their creed.

This last has been easier to do than trying to make seekers out of non-believers.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Shaky's comment about religious "tolerance" brings this home. God in the Old Testament IS intolerant of other religions. It gets overlooked, however, in this politically correct age, that some religions we SHOULD be intolerant of.
For some religions are absolutely anti-life and murderous, and from all accounts many of the gods and followers of these supposed gods were murderous as well.

Echoed in this clip here. For that music in the Middle Americas style brings to mind the sun-worshipping cultures of the Maya, Incans, and Aztecs.

Especially the Aztecs. In my next post, perhaps, I'll give a link to what even Wikipedia has to say about their culture, the number of people sacrificed in the name of appeasing their god, thousands upon thousands "sacrificed" in a way remarkably reminiscent of what we see here.

The title of the song ... is "Store of the [b]SUN".

Be warned. This IS violent ... [/B]

Murderous like the Crusades and the Inquisition? Christianity has blood on it's hands. I am so thankful to now be a Buddhist.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
...Only fools will think mythical personifications to be real...

👆

Originally posted by Greatest I am
No. I understand that the author is often linked to Gnosticism but have not read him.

There is a lot of art out there that is called Gnostic. Sometimes I see it sometimes not.

Our myths are understandable but more complicated than what Christianity has. Fact is, I did not need them to force my apotheosis and read most of them after it.

Since then, I recognize that any myth or belief can and should be internalized to activate our higher mind or third eye and I have concentrated on getting that message out as well as trying to show Christians the immorality of their creed.

This last has been easier to do than trying to make seekers out of non-believers.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Murderous like the Crusades and the Inquisition? Christianity has blood on it's hands. I am so thankful to now be a Buddhist.

12:03 a.m. EST January 24, 2014

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Rangoon, Burma (AP) — At least 48 Muslims were killed when Buddhist mobs attacked a village in an isolated corner of western Burma earlier this month, the United Nations said Thursday, calling on the government to carry out a swift, impartial investigation and to hold those responsible accountable ...
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/01/24/burma-buddhists-muslims-un/4813115/

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Murderous like the Crusades and the Inquisition? Christianity has blood on it's hands. I am so thankful to now be a Buddhist.

As for the Catholic Church and its Crusades, the reason I didn't object to your "rightness isn't determined by popularity" statement,
is because I largely agree with it, and not merely because it seems to be adapted from 1984.

Exactly what Scripture of Christian Bible verse tells people to go out and collect people to be tortured and killed the way the executors of the Inquisition did?

As I've stated before, a person isn't Christian just because they or someone else calls them that.

The Bible itself makes this clear:

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Matthew 7:21-23Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:21-23

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😕

"violent"?

Bent, I have no idea why you used that word, but I've been looking for a way to introduce this clip for the better part of a day now.

I have a way of speaking with uncommon words from time to time 😛

Without ever intending for it to be apologetic on violence, massive religious violence is born from prejudice and power struggles and has little to do with matters of faith. Not only religions have been instrumentalized into genocide, other ideologies such as nationalism, communism or anti-imperialism are excellent tools to incur into violence.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
As for the Catholic Church and its Crusades, the reason I didn't object to your "rightness isn't determined by popularity" statement,
is because I largely agree with it, and not merely because it seems to be adapted from 1984.

Exactly what Scripture of Christian Bible verse tells people to go out and collect people to be tortured and killed the way the executors of the Inquisition did?

As I've stated before, a person isn't Christian just because they or someone else calls them that.

The Bible itself makes this clear:

1. The Catholic Church is part of Christianity.
2. People don't need bible verses to do evil.
3. Christian
...adj.
........1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
........2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
........3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
........4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
........5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.
...n.
......1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
......2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Christian

That would mean that Catholics, Mormons, and even Gnostics are Christian.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
1. The Catholic Church is part of Christianity.
2. People don't need bible verses to do evil.
3. Christian
...adj.
........1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
........2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
........3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
........4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
........5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.
...n.
......1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
......2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Christian

That would mean that Catholics, Mormons, and even Gnostics are Christian.

That would also mean that YOU are Christian ... unless you want to exclude #5 from your definitions or don't think #5 can be applied to you.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
That would also mean that YOU are Christian ... unless you want to exclude #5 from your definitions or don't think #5 can be applied to you.

Your Karma is your own.

#5, I think they are referring to something like "That's very Christian of you". That is why it is #5