Darth Caedus vs. The Dread Masters

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Originally posted by AncientPower
The Dread Masters don't actually have shining feats against gdnuinely strong characters:

Did you play the operation in SWTOR featuring Dread Masters?

Originally posted by AncientPower
All six of them and the Emperor combined couldn't mentally defeat Revan supplied by Meetra's force energy, for three centuries.

How is this relevant for Darth Caedus?

Originally posted by AncientPower
Master Jaric Kaedan and a squad of SpecOps took them down.

And the circumstances of this confrontation are unknown. Dread Masters weren't deployed on the frontlines to fight as warriors during the war, they operated from behind-the-lines to overwhelm enemy forces with their powers. Dread Masters were also more focused on exploring mysteries of the Force for the benefit of the Empire then spending time to hone their combative skills.

It is only after their release from a prison facility in Belsavis and freedom from the influence of Emperor Vitiate, that they began to realize their potential independently but they didn't get much time because the Republic checkmated them with overwhelming force not long afterwards. Nonetheless this victory came at a great cost and Republic lost an entire fleet and many lives in the process.

Here is a codex entry about Dread Master Tyrans but it clarifies the competence of all Dread Masters:

One of the most perceptive Dread Masters, Tyrans is never one to act without a plan in place. "Speak little and listen much" is his creed; he prefers to take measure of his opponents before he engages them, employing complex strategies to take advantage of their weaknesses. One of Tyrans' favored tactics is to use his insights to set his enemies at each other's throats.

Tyrans was largely responsible for the design of the Dread Fortress, ensuring that the complex would provide maximum security--not that he's afraid of a straightforward confrontation. As with the other Dread Masters, Tyrans is a formidable foe who will gladly display his impressive mastery of the dark side of the Force when needed.

Originally posted by AncientPower
They repeatedly got stomped by Empire and Republic strike teams despite having hordes of dark side nasties to back them up.

Strike Teams, not a lone individual.

Originally posted by AncientPower
They apparently don't even compare to the Emperor himself by any margin.

One of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time (I personally have Caedus swapping between 3 and 4) should be able to certainly defeat them.


This bodes well for Emperor Vitiate, not for Darth Caedus. The former have the hype of being the most powerful Force-user to have ever existed and almost god-like being.

Originally posted by Trocity
Their combined might being insignificant compared to Vitiate doesn't really impress me, as without a nexus/amp, Caedus would beat Vitiate.

Your ignorance is astounding.

Darth Caedus isn't in the league of Emperor Vitiate, not even close. This is fanon nonsense.

As for "one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history" related argument; Darth Nox utterly trashed one such during his ascendance to the Dark Council, and Emperor Vitiate is above him. These type of statements won't help much in an argument if you are using Emperor Vitiate as the benchmark. Try god-like being or such.

Your bias is lulzy.

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Originally posted by Trocity
Your bias is lulzy.

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Apart from posting lame statements in every thread and demonstrating epic ignorance of SWTOR era content, you have offered nothing convincing in an argument. Calling me out on my bias will make you look even a bigger fool because you are demonstrating ignorance on top of your obvious bias for PT and later era content.

Thanks for sharing that avatar by the way.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Caedus isn't in the league of Emperor Vitiate, not even close. This is fanon nonsense.

Yeah, the guy who can go blow for blow with an enraged Luke isn't in the same league as a guy who gets disarmed by a f**king saber throw, you're right LOL!

Btw, I'm still not sure who wins between Satele and Plagueis, mind breaking that one down more in-depth for me?

Caedus would absolutely toy with Vitiate in any duel, his tutaminis feats are more than enough to tank Vitiate's FLS attacks.

Vitiate's TP domination won't have any effect.

This would be an exceptional battle, Caedus has faced THE titan in Grand Master Skywalker and was sralemating him in a duel.

Probably the greatest lightsaber feat any Sith can claim.

Except for Sidious beating Grand Master Skywalker. 😬

Originally posted by Trocity
Yeah, the guy who can go blow for blow with an enraged Luke isn't in the same league as a guy who gets disarmed by a f**king saber throw, you're right LOL!

Going toe-to-toe with Luke is really impressive but isn't such a big deal as you are trying to make it out to be. Lord Nyax utterly outclassed Luke FYI, if it weren't for Mara and Tahiri, Luke would have lost.

Newsflash: Luke isn't the most powerful Force-user to have ever existed and he can be defeated.

Disarmed by saber throw? Emperor was disarmed by saber throw because he was focused on Revan at that moment and not on Meetra. Ignoring the context doesn't makes your argument credible.

Originally posted by Trocity
Btw, I'm still not sure who wins between Satele and Plagueis, mind breaking that one down more in-depth for me?

If Satele Shan manages to block his lightsaber with her hands, she can gather sufficient energy to overwhelm him afterwards. Plagueis is likely strong enough to tackle her otherwise.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Going toe-to-toe with Luke is really impressive but isn't such a big deal as you are trying to make it out to be. Lord Nyax utterly outclassed Luke FYI. If it weren't for Mara and Tahiri, Luke would have lost.

Newsflash: Luke isn't the most powerful Force-user to have ever existed and he can be defeated.

Disarmed by saber throw? Emperor was disarmed by saber throw because he was focused on Revan at that moment and not on Meetra. Ignoring the context doesn't makes your argument credible.

It is when it's an enraged Luke who got the jump on him an punctured his kidney before they even started to duel.

Nyax is a joke of a character, so I'm gonna touch that one.

Whether his attention was focused elsewhere or not, being disarmed by a saber throw that the text implies would have killed him if Meetra didn't try to save Revan instead of going for the kill is kinda hilarious.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Caedus would absolutely toy with Vitiate in any duel,

No one have been able to toy with Emperor Vitiate in a fair confrontation. Not even Revan, a brilliant tactician.

FYI, Emperor is also a brilliant tactician:

Most Jedi who ventured into Imperial space vanished without a trace, but a few managed to send back disturbing messages to their Masters. These fragmented communiques showed the Emperor's Jedi pursuers descending into fear, madness, and evil when faced with his power. It quickly became clear the Sith Emperor was more then a brilliant military strategist and cunning political leader. He was a living embodiment of the dark side of the Force who delighted in destroying the minds and spirits of those Jedi who came too close to him. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

So PIS aside, Emperor is capable of making smart decisions in his confrontations.

Originally posted by AncientPower
his tutaminis feats are more than enough to tank Vitiate's FLS attacks.

And these are?

Originally posted by AncientPower
Vitiate's TP domination won't have any effect.

Emperor successfully broke anybody whom he wanted to break, even multiple powerful adversaries at a time. Nobody managed to resist him in the first attempt, perhaps due to element of surprise or the sheer ferocity of the telepathic assault. Emperor have history of breaking those individuals who were thought to be immune to mental domination earlier.

Your statement doesn't have any substance. I can make assumptions endlessly, but assumptions do not carry weightage without basis.

Originally posted by AncientPower
This would be an exceptional battle, Caedus has faced THE titan in Grand Master Skywalker and was sralemating him in a duel.

Lord Nyax says hello.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Probably the greatest lightsaber feat any Sith can claim.

Caedus's dueling skills are not in question, his ability to defeat Emperor Vitiate is and rightfully so. Because a confrontation with him is unlikely to reach the point of a lightsaber dueling and is likely to end before it in defeat of Caedus.

Originally posted by Trocity
It is when it's an enraged Luke who got the jump on him an punctured his kidney before they even started to duel.

Where it is stated that Luke tapped into the dark side to confront Darth Caedus?

Originally posted by Trocity
Nyax is a joke of a character, so I'm gonna touch that one.

Narrative appeal is not my point.

Originally posted by Trocity
Whether his attention was focused elsewhere or not, being disarmed by a saber throw that the text implies would have killed him if Meetra didn't try to save Revan instead of going for the kill is kinda hilarious.

This could happen to anybody in Emperor's position. A lightsaber cuts and/or decapitates upon contact, do you understand?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Except for Sidious beating Grand Master Skywalker. 😬

Sidious never defeated Grand Master Skywalker, DE Luke managed to own prime Sidious in a duel and despite Leia's inference he became many times better at anything by the time he faced Caedus.

Nyax didn't face prime Luke, Sidious didn't, Lumiya didn't... CAEDUS did.

Oh and the use of Nyax as evidence is like a walking stick for you ain't it LeGenD.

The day you take into account the context and realise things were heavily in Nyax's favor is the day I'll take that argument seriously.

I have to say your bias is self evident right now, I use Kun's NUMEROUS statements making him rival Vitiate during the GSW and you dismiss them all as 'out of date'. Yet you frequently repeat the name Nyax without failure in any Luke debate you have despite the sheer age of Nyax's appearances (1995 & 2002).

By the way Luke still wasn't in his prime yet this was during the middle of the Vong war. Luke got far more powerful after it.

Hey, only me and Tempest are allowed to make fun of Neph's double-standards. Get lost and stop harassing members.

You should re-read the part that says 'LeGenD'.

Ancient-san, who would you day are the top 10 strongest Sith?

Originally posted by AncientPower
Sidious never defeated Grand Master Skywalker, DE Luke managed to own prime Sidious in a duel and despite Leia's inference he became many times better at anything by the time he faced Caedus.

Nyax didn't face prime Luke, Sidious didn't, Lumiya didn't... CAEDUS did.

Oh and the use of Nyax as evidence is like a walking stick for you ain't it LeGenD.

The day you take into account the context and realise things were heavily in Nyax's favor is the day I'll take that argument seriously.

I have to say your bias is self evident right now, I use Kun's NUMEROUS statements making him rival Vitiate during the GSW and you dismiss them all as 'out of date'. Yet you frequently repeat the name Nyax without failure in any Luke debate you have despite the sheer age of Nyax's appearances (1995 & 2002).

By the way Luke still wasn't in his prime yet this was during the middle of the Vong war. Luke got far more powerful after it.


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Nyax unlike Vitiate actually demonstrated the ability to mind dominate during combat. Vitiate attempted on Revan and failed, the rest is just hype and vague details about something that happened off-screen.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Ancient-san, who would you day are the top 10 strongest Sith?

1.Darth Sidious
2.Sith Emperor
3.Darth Caedus
4.Exar Kun
5.Darth Plagueis
6.Darth Krayt
7.Darth Vader

About as far as I'll go, 2-4 are interchangeable IMO.

You forgot Nihilus?

Originally posted by AncientPower
Sidious never defeated Grand Master Skywalker, DE Luke managed to own prime Sidious in a duel and despite Leia's inference he became many times better at anything by the time he faced Caedus.

Nyax didn't face prime Luke, Sidious didn't, Lumiya didn't... CAEDUS did.

Well actually Sidious beat Luke in a duel in DE before he lost later. And Lumiya did face Prime Luke.

FotJ Luke=>LotF Luke>>>>>DE Luke

Originally posted by AncientPower
1.Darth Nihilus
2.Darth Sidious
3.Sith Emperor
4.Darth Bane
5.Darth Caedus
6.Exar Kun
7.Darth Plagueis
8.Darth Krayt
9.Darth Vader

About as far as I'll go, 2-4 are interchangeable IMO.

Agreed, but is Krayt really more powerful than Vader?

Although, I haven't read any new shit on Krayt.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You forgot Nihilus?

I didn't. 😉

Nice posting by the way, Nephthys.. is it?

A pleasure to meet you. 🙂

I shall watch your career with great interest.